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[Vorteggs]

Tonight my daughter urgently needed my 16 GB flash thumb to use it under Windows.

It is was bootable to PCLOS (first partition, ext4, 4 GB) and the rest was NTFS data partition on it.

Windows could never see it: always says "The device is not formatted, do you want to format it?"

You may say I did something wrong for Windows not to see it. Yes, may be.

But Linux always was able to see both the partitions - ext4 and NTFS.

Now...
For the fu....g Windows to be able to see it in my daughter's Windows office toplap I had to delete in no time all the partitions and format all of it to NTFS.
And there was data and I am not sure I didn't lose some of it.

I hate Windows!

[Just17]

Tonight my daughter urgently needed my 16 GB flash thumb to use it under Windows.

It is was bootable to PCLOS (first partition, ext4, 4 GB) and the rest was NTFS data partition on it.

Windows could never see it: always says "The device is not formatted, do you want to format it?"

You may say I did something wrong for Windows not to see it. Yes, may be.

But Linux always was able to see both the partitions - ext4 and NTFS.

Now...
For the fu....g Windows to be able to see it in my daughter's Windows office toplap I had to delete in no time all the partitions and format all of it to NTFS.
And there was data and I am not sure I didn't lose some of it.

I hate Windows!

You should have made the first partition for Windows, and installed PCLOS on another partition.

In that way Windows will see the drive and partition and not want to format it, and you can use the Win partition from PCLOS to save data.

[Vorteggs]

Yes I was thinking the same.

But you didn't explain it in your application by which I did the booting flash

No you are not the one to blame as Linux see the drive w/o any problem. So, as I said, I hate Windows

[Grandpa]

Back in the day.  There was a familiar icon on the desktop.  It was called "My Computer".  It was later replaced by "Dolphin".  Now if you "google" dolphin the first entry and most of the next seven or eight are about the one that lives in the sea not the one on my desktop.

[Vorteggs]

Now if you "google" dolphin the first entry and most of the next seven or eight are about the one that lives in the sea not the one on my desktop.

Google search in my language (Bulgarian) shows at first and third place the browser related links.

I think it's not normal, I'd prefer at first 10 places the mammal

[Just17]

Yes I was thinking the same.

But you didn't explain it in your application by which I did the booting flash

No you are not the one to blame as Linux see the drive w/o any problem. So, as I said, I hate Windows

Oh you Windows users should be able to figure it out for yourselves   

 

[Vorteggs]

Aaarrrgghhh!

[Grandpa]

In "Sandbox" there is a thread called "Do you remember".  It is about the pinwheel in the .92 PClinuxOS.  Some of the guys have posted the desktop of that version.  If you look there is a icon called "My Computer".  But what I want to call your attention to is the icon called "New User Guide".  That guide is what told me this is the one.  At that time PClinuxOS was the only one I found that had something like.  Please see if you can find a place for it again.

[Tony]

I read this whole thread, I didn't really want to, but interesting stuff kept being addressed.

Reply #27 Was a fascinating real life story by Xenaflux.
The key to this is Xenaflux gets paid to make people happy using Linux.

I suppose for the initial problem of people not knowing what programs do what, honestly it is part of the whole learning experience, and understanding initially you'll be tied to the Forum to ask questions, or read.

I've setup PCLOS for my Ex-Wife in the past. I ask her; "What do you want ?"
She gets Abiword, MPlayer, Firefox, and Audacious. She was happy and went about using as if it was a Computer she was using always. From time to time, "But I don't seem to be able to do so, and so."
I install the appropriate program, and be sure to say only use Favorites, "that's where your programs are."

Two types of Users, one wants to just use it; the other, like myself will install programs that I need from looking around, reading descriptions in Synaptic, reading the Forum.

From Neal:

I understand about wanting to help newcomers. I do not understand the request to "make it more like windows" or "create a new ISO that looks/works like windows." There is a learning curve for anything that is new to you - no matter what it is. Would you start a new job and insist that it be like your old job, so that you didn't need to learn to do things differently?

 
Absolutely, these Distros are free, people who help are volunteers.

I've used MiniMe always, but it says it's for Advanced users, well four years later maybe I am. I don't want Bluetooth, and Faxes, and Printers. That was my sole reason for using MiniMe.
But, now I can tailor make to a persons needs an OS that they like, and people really do like the speed, no Anti-Virus crap to update, they feel liberated.

It does depend on the person very much so whether they will take to the learning curve if unassisted, depending if they are a Computer USER, or Technically minded.

A Story about can't find stuff; years ago a friend proudly was using his new Win XP Computer, then wanted to quit. But The 'Start Icon' said Start, so that obviously wasn't were he should go to Shutdown, ... an hour later he rang his Son.
He explained that you do in fact click on 'Start' to finish a session in Windows.
If they can all figure that out, they can use PCLinuxOS very simply, especially with the amount of 'ToolTips".

Also. I think we may forget how if you've used a Computer, things are set out in a pretty intuitive way, just to help with its usage.
I'm from the, " Not too much cli thanks generation."
We do have GUI's in Linux now, which is drawing people to it. If they can use a Phone, or Game console, Sat Nav, they can relate to the intuition of Computer GUI's.

[Just17]

Tonight my daughter urgently needed my 16 GB flash thumb to use it under Windows.

It is was bootable to PCLOS (first partition, ext4, 4 GB) and the rest was NTFS data partition on it.

Windows could never see it: always says "The device is not formatted, do you want to format it?"

You may say I did something wrong for Windows not to see it. Yes, may be.

But Linux always was able to see both the partitions - ext4 and NTFS.

Now...
For the fu....g Windows to be able to see it in my daughter's Windows office toplap I had to delete in no time all the partitions and format all of it to NTFS.
And there was data and I am not sure I didn't lose some of it.

I hate Windows!

Dude, that's simply bec of the order of the partitions on the flash drive.  I worked this out w/ my 1st LiveUSB.  Next time, add the PCLOS partitions first and the NTFS partitions last.  Have three bootable PCLOS flash drives and no Windows issues....

The exact opposite is the case.
Give the first partition to MS and do as you wish with the rest of the space.

[mr-roboto]

The exact opposite is the case.
Give the first partition to MS and do as you wish with the rest of the space.

I double-checked after posting.  Sorry.

[mr-roboto]

Q1:  who're are these so-called people who're fed up with Windows ?
In my experience in thousand of encounters, no such animal.  Not to say they don't exist.  I meet plenty of people who're sick of paying to fix a broken WinPC, but even the Mac folks I encounter seem to choose Macs not bec of Windows fatigue, but bec they think or have been convinced they can get the job done better, faster, or easier with a Mac.  Those who suffer with Windows fatigue generally seem to find some flavor of Linux on their own.  That is, in my experience.

Q2:  are there any professional techs who know other pros who're completely Linux-ignorant ?
Loads !  I used to (till very recently) work for a major retailer and virtually none of the techs, including the district tech honcho had a clue about Linux.  (BTW, he was a top-shelf hardware talent.)  And I'm reporting about what I observe in my corner of NYC, not Nowheresville.  Occasionally, I've been able pick off one or two who're willing to think outside the box, but most resist learning something else.  From my perspective, if it's hard to persuade techs, how can one hope to readily convince the non-techs ?

Something I like a lot about PCLOS is the magazine that encourages evangelizing with tips, tricks, suggestions, and info about programs maybe you never heard of.  Have every issue since Oct '10 and will d/l the Nov issue after finishing this msg.

The OP seeks/suggests an ISO that will help transition newbies to Linux.  Don't think one can ever exist.  This thread, as well as other threads on this forum relate many successful Linux transitions, but they all seem to rely on a local evangelist (ie. husband, best friend, daughter, teacher, etc.)  I don't care what you name the icons or if you make them look exactly like the Microsoft icons, non-techs will never buy Linux (any distro), unless they get real support as from an evangelist.

My landlord has never owned a computer, other than his smartphone.  He might be an excellent candidate for a Chromebook, but only if I help him with the purchase, to help him understand what it can and can't do.  Otherwise, since wife and kids all have WinLaptops, he'd gladly spend the extra bucks on something that they grok, bec they can help him.

I don't even think that even a good forum like this one is enough.  Frankly, some people need Windows and any distro will be a poor fit.  But when one has flesh-and-blood support as from an evangelist or maybe even a user group [do they still exist ?], a newbie can do something with Linux, other than just get frustrated....

[YouCanToo]

maybe even a user group [do they still exist ?]

Yes, they still exist!

[parnote]

Q1:  who're are these so-called people who're fed up with Windows ?
In my experience in thousand of encounters, no such animal.  Not to say they don't exist.  I meet plenty of people who're sick of paying to fix a broken WinPC, but even the Mac folks I encounter seem to choose Macs not bec of Windows fatigue, but bec they think or have been convinced they can get the job done better, faster, or easier with a Mac.  Those who suffer with Windows fatigue generally seem to find some flavor of Linux on their own.  That is, in my experience.

Not necessarily so. I've met Windows users who want me to "fix" their computers, so that they or their children or their spouse or their roommate can go out and download more viruses, spyware and malware ... and then want me to do the whole process over again in 3 or 6 months. I now tell them that I don't do Windows. If they insist, I tell them it will cost them $100 an hour for me to "fix" their computer, and that it almost always takes a minimum of 4 hours, often times longer. They all balk at that figure. I also tell them that I can install an operating system that is virus free, spyware free, malware free and crapware free, and I'll give them all the support they want or need ... for free. So far, no one who has taken me up on the offer (there have been several ... my Window die-hard brother the latest) have even had an inkling of a thought of returning to Windows. They all pretty much exclaim the same thing: how wonderful and comforting it is to be able to use their computer, without the worries of all the "wares" that inflict Windows.

Something I like a lot about PCLOS is the magazine that encourages evangelizing with tips, tricks, suggestions, and info about programs maybe you never heard of.  Have every issue since Oct '10 and will d/l the Nov issue after finishing this msg.

I'm especially glad that you find the magazine useful, especially since I've been the magazine's chief editor since July, 2009. But why only download the issues going back to Oct 2010? Why not download ALL the back issues, for free?

parnote

[Xenaflux]

But why only download the issues going back to Oct 2010? Why not download ALL the back issues, for free?

Congratz
This is a nice job , presenting them this way.
Really !!

I now tell them that I don't do Windows. If they insist, I tell them it will cost them $100 an hour for me to "fix" their computer, and that it almost always takes a minimum of 4 hours, often times longer.

Here is what I did, but I hadn't that many takers either.
I offered them an afternoon lesson.( 1500Baht )
-first an hour as what I was going to do and why and how ( with Thai translator sitting next to me = My Dear )
-install ( and updates )
-configuration as per their needs ( including partitioning= C:\  D:\  E:\  F:\ )
-Install programs
-configure programs ( Paths mostly )
-install security
--->most important....Teach backup and restore ( Drive image 5 )

Then...Please pay....and....goodby. Don't come back as you will be shot on sight.

I think I had 5 or 6 customers over as many years.
One definitely learned something, as she is now doing the same and making a decent size pocket money out of it. ( darn copycats )

However, for the last few years, I also tell them I don't do Windows.
I don't mind spending time, but I refuse to waist that little time what's left.

Xx