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Its always been my feeling that as years go on, user experience has been going down for people who use a computer and the Internet, because of decisions all companies make that are clearly anti-user, either because they think they know best, or in many cases, for financial gains. But from spending all night reinstalling everything and customizing the laptop, I realized just how bad it has become.
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Re: The amount of crap Windows users have to put up with is incredible
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2012, 02:55:21 PM »
The comments were pretty entertaining  :D

One comment really stood out for me:

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Maarten: Why don't you just do a clean (re)install of Windows 8? Gets rid of all crap, takes under 30 min. Of course, you'll have to install all non-standard drivers manually.

Okay, so a reinstall takes under 30 min. And all the non-standard drivers take another 4-5 hours.  ::)

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Re: The amount of crap Windows users have to put up with is incredible
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2012, 03:59:39 PM »
I have Windows 7 on my laptop ( as well as PCLinuxOS and SUSE 12.2 ) and I only use Windows once a month or so, and am seriously thinking of wiping it off, my only problem is what do I put on all the free space :)
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Re: The amount of crap Windows users have to put up with is incredible
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2012, 04:59:07 PM »
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Re: The amount of crap Windows users have to put up with is incredible
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2012, 05:36:58 PM »
I have Windows 7 on my laptop ( as well as PCLinuxOS and SUSE 12.2 ) and I only use Windows once a month or so, and am seriously thinking of wiping it off, my only problem is what do I put on all the free space :)
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Re: The amount of crap Windows users have to put up with is incredible
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2012, 05:39:57 PM »
yes, some days i scratch my head when putting together back one of those pcs that can't boot and you don't have a clear path to a driver download site

in hp machines is specially bad because lots of models require stuff that you can't download, you have to pay for a restoration disc, specially for tv tuner cards that doesn't come with anything anywhere, asus tv cards that doesn't offer a basic program or something similar

if you have drivers and hard disk is not damaged or any other surprise arises, the best i can do is 3 hours restoring machine, most times diagnosing and copying files i waste 1 or 2 hours before those 3 other hours, a day fighting with the thing

when there is printers or other dumb devices that is more time wasted, specially knowing that most people doesn't print anything in weeks or months and when they print, the ink has dried completely and is time wasted
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Re: The amount of crap Windows users have to put up with is incredible
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2012, 11:12:25 PM »
As a amateur computer geek, I have always tried to be the only one messing with my computer.  I learned early how fun it is to install and maintain your own computer.  Especially when you have co-workers that spend $50+ dollars to have theirs done twice to four times a year. 

That is why I love Linux and love that I found PC LinuxOS.  Easy to maintain, easier to find either drivers for my hardware or work arounds, and I spend less time cleaning the crap out of the filesystem.   

I use to run Antiviral, anti-spy, anti-intrusion programs on a daily basis with that OS that lives up to its name when it comes to computer protection.  With this OS I still run all that, about once a month for practice and protection.  Haven't found anything bad yet (well nothing I didn't put there myself).
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Re: The amount of crap Windows users have to put up with is incredible
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2012, 05:53:46 AM »
Okay, so a reinstall takes under 30 min. And all the non-standard drivers take another 4-5 hours.
Installing Windows 7 on a new Toshiba Satellite toplap (no OS preinstalled) of a friend of my daughter...

Windows didn't recognize the WiFi and told me "Go to the Toshiba site and get the proper driver there".  Without internet connection... :D

But as far as I sneaky installed the FullMonty I went to the site and filled up the machine's serial number there...
Guess what? There were 4 drivers for WiFi cards from different manufacturers. And  they were telling me "Download please our little program for to recognize the card".
Heh, lshw and I am there! Downloaded the right driver installed it in Windows and got some more standard drivers.

So it seems that I need Linux to be able to install Windows? :o
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Re: The amount of crap Windows users have to put up with is incredible
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2012, 06:16:46 AM »
So much for "Linux has inferior hardware compatibility than Windows".

There is a CLI in Windows, too, btw. I just don't know all the commands and how powerful the default cli is...

But back to the crapware problem - I believe that if you install Win by yourself from scratch and only use OS's software installed from the maker's site, you will still be stuck with 'Big Brother Ballmer'. And the higher the version no., the worse it gets.

Now that they have copied more from Linux, the experience on a clean system may improve, but their Metro interface actually is nothing but Widgets and icons on a tiled wall....
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Re: The amount of crap Windows users have to put up with is incredible
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2012, 07:04:55 AM »
"There is a CLI in Windows, too, btw. I just don't know all the commands and how powerful the default cli is..."

that hp machine i mentioned, i had to use the cli on vista, the installed refused to work because i didn't had a license, then i found some console commands and decided to run them, it worked in silent mode, no warnings or something

weird that i use now cli on windows and less in linux, now that windows doesn't have a real cli
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Re: The amount of crap Windows users have to put up with is incredible
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2012, 07:13:46 AM »
I think we've talked about this little program before:  The PC Decrapifier. For 'cleaning up' a newly bought Win PC.

I don't have a lot to do with 'Windows' these days, just looking at my family members Comps it's quite intriguing, how each has their setup.
One Sister has no third party software at all. It's bleak. She just basically uses IE, and Outlook, an MS Email and organiser thingo. That's what she wants, sensible.

Another member of my family has expensive third party Pro versions of Photoshop, Real Player, Adobe Reader, I could rattle on. They believe if you don't pay, it can't be any good.  ::)

A lovely thing about Linux is not having a Registry; although if you are stuck having to use Windows it's the place to be for tweaking, and backups.

Finding and installing Hardware Drivers can be made less painful by buying a Driver backup program, but really probably only necessary if you have a Network and are the Admin in a paid position.

Again; kind of a personal thing isn't it. If you repair Comps and have regular customers having a backup of their drivers can save you heaps of time. I think a lot of Techs just install windows and leave third party stuff up to the client to deal with. Time is money.

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There is a CLI in Windows, too, btw. I just don't know all the commands and how powerful the default cli is...
My Uncle who was a programmer way back in the 70's calls today's MS Dos, "Mickey Mouse Dos."
You can do quite a lot with it still though, well in XP I used to...
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Re: The amount of crap Windows users have to put up with is incredible
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2012, 10:46:50 AM »
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There is a CLI in Windows, too, btw. I just don't know all the commands and how powerful the default cli is...
My Uncle who was a programmer way back in the 70's calls today's MS Dos, "Mickey Mouse Dos."
You can do quite a lot with it still though, well in XP I used to...

In the eighties, when I still used some Microsoft programs, I wouldn't have been caught dead using MS DOS. I used the much superior DR DOS instead -- with the 4DOS command line interpreter. Then Microsoft tried to tell us that DR DOS was incompatible with Windows 3.1 (which it actually wasn't), so I stopped using Windows. I switched over to OS/2, which was much better than DOS/Windows in the early nineties.

That said, Windows 3 was a quite usable operating system -- if you ran it with PC Tools for Windows or Norton Desktop for Windows. But OS/2 was more than usable. And then, of course, came Linux ...
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Re: The amount of crap Windows users have to put up with is incredible
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2012, 12:01:00 PM »
Black Bird,
I used NU - Norton Utilities in that DOS environment and was quite satisfied with it.
Even I was able to correct (me the lamer) a program written in BASIC with those batch-files utilities that uncle Peter Norton gave us.

It's still working :D

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Re: The amount of crap Windows users have to put up with is incredible
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2012, 01:53:27 PM »
In those sad times, when I find myself forced working on a PC with Windoze, I try to also install PCLOS.  As we know, the PCLOS is effortless compared to the boot & reboot over & over, not to mention, the trouble shooting after installing Windoze.
I wish all Windoze users could see that there is Light at the end of that long tunnel via PCLOS.
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Re: The amount of crap Windows users have to put up with is incredible
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2012, 02:26:23 PM »
Okay, so a reinstall takes under 30 min. And all the non-standard drivers take another 4-5 hours.
Installing Windows 7 on a new Toshiba Satellite toplap (no OS preinstalled) of a friend of my daughter...

Windows didn't recognize the WiFi and told me "Go to the Toshiba site and get the proper driver there".  Without internet connection... :D

But as far as I sneaky installed the FullMonty I went to the site and filled up the machine's serial number there...
Guess what? There were 4 drivers for WiFi cards from different manufacturers. And  they were telling me "Download please our little program for to recognize the card".
Heh, lshw and I am there! Downloaded the right driver installed it in Windows and got some more standard drivers.

So it seems that I need Linux to be able to install Windows? :o

That is a funny story, need Linux to be able to install Windows! LOL! Thanks for the laugh. Although why anyone, other than someone really serious about gaming would actually WANT Windows on their computer is beyond me.