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Re: install and setup woes
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2012, 02:56:06 AM »
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I upgraded Firefox and Thunderbird via Synaptic.

That implies you did selective upgrades of those two.

That is not how PCLOS is supposed to be upgraded .......  All or not at all for upgrades ...

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Re: install and setup woes
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2012, 11:15:38 AM »
If I had done a complete upgrade, I would have lost KSnapshot, which is sort of where I came in.  I should have upgraded the Mozilla stuff from their website, not from PCLOS, then I might not have run into this mess., but I am totally disgusted.  I have used PCLOS al9ost exclusively for 2/½ years, and I don't know
what I'm going to do now, but this whole install would turn off anybody who tries this os. Right from the start without much customization at all, things went
terribly wrong.

I have a 64-bit testing version on another machine, and it works tremendously better than this travesty.  Even tho there is no help available on the forum,
I may just install a 64-bit version here and put up with the lack of support--at least it works! (Don't know if KSnap works on it, tho; I haven't tried it.) 

I think the the 2012.08 os is a perfect example of the old adage, "If you play with anything long enough you'll break it."  Well, the devs have succeeded!

Posted from Windows. PCLOS is toast.

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Re: install and setup woes
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2012, 12:25:02 PM »
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If I had done a complete upgrade, I would have lost KSnapshot, which is sort of where I came in.

You are making an assumption that I believe is not true.

Maybe you should try fully upgrading the install ....
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Re: install and setup woes
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2012, 06:41:26 PM »
Maybe I should just stay out of this, but I never was to smart.  The other day I had an install of 2012.8 that I had not updated fro sometime.  I was using another computer that had 2012.8 installed as the only O/S.  The other was dual booting Win 7.  I decided to up date that one.  It would not update because I had not done so for such a long.  I knew that would happen.  So I took my copy of 2012.8 and installed only "/".  It installed fine.  It updated find remover a ton of stuff and installed/update close to 200 files.  It worked great.  Why do I mention this here?  This disto is the GREATEST!!!!  If you follow the rule of never installing from any place but here.  I am not an expert on Linux.  But this one he** of a good O/S.  I believe if you go to another O/S you will get second best or worst. 
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Re: install and setup woes
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2012, 07:34:30 PM »

This is one of those threads where somebody gets a problem, decide to solve it by selves with whatever method they deem appropriate,they get stuck and then ask for help in continuing with whatever method they chose for themselves and give inadequate information causing a lot of unnecessary back and forth and a lot of waste of time.

The install is partially updated so who knows what he is dealing with,we cant get out installs where his is.

He decided to change the hostname, what problem this was going to solve,we dont know.It could be contributing to the problem he is having.

He chose not to use the graphic driver provided by the distro,why,because it doesnt specifically mention his card.He doesnt know how to install it adding to his frustrations.

He is getting problems with konsole,konsole is  GUI application,why only konsole,why not the same problem with firefox,or dolphin or any other GUI application.We dont know,if he knows,he doesn mention it for whatever reason.

What other changes has he done to the system that introduced problems in place when he was trying to solve a problem in another place? we dont know.

His install is a mess and its state can not be assumed by anybody,i suspect even him.
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Re: install and setup woes
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2012, 09:12:20 PM »
I installed from the 2012.08 mini iso.  The only problem I had was getting logged out several times a week; I am not certain whether what I changed fixed that but the problem exists no longer.  I have customised Konsole (both for user and root) and installed ksnapshot which opens when I press the Prt Scr button.  (I only discovered from a recent forum post that one can do that, which means one less application launcher.)

Which nVidia version to use seems evident from the descriptions in Synaptic.

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Re: install and setup woes
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2012, 09:16:40 PM »
@ternor
getting logged out to the log in screen usually means X server crash.
Some users of nvidia video cards were reporting this problem a while ago.
what video card are you using?
what video driver are you using?
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Re: install and setup woes
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2012, 11:36:52 PM »
Hi muungwana.  IIRC, you posted in one of the threads where I posted briefly about my issue.  It has been about a month, maybe longer, since I was logged out.  Before that it happened several times a week and even twice on the same day.  I have several nVidia drivers installed and presume that I am using the 'current' one: "NVIDIA proprietary X.org driver and libraries for GeForce 6 and later cards."  The card is GeForce 6100.

I used XFDrake to disable translucency but I wasn't using compositing anyway.  I also reduced a mouse acceleration setting in Desktop Settings.  As I say, I don't know whether anything I did fixed the problem but it stopped being a problem.
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Re: install and setup woes
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2012, 10:50:24 PM »
I think some of the comments deserve a reply. For what it's worth, after the post above, I would have tried to update the whole megilla, but the system was
completely hosed. The only option was to completely delete it and start over.  Again, fwiw, I looked at another derivative of Mandrake, and didn't like it.
When I found out that it was impossible to run installed programs from a command line--a trick you have to use to run, say, Dolphin from root--I decided
that it wasn't for me. Another distro download failed to boot altogether.  So I suppose it's back to pclos.

However: Firstly, the cold install this last time left me with the disappearing wallpaper problem.  Nothing else customized or anything at that point.
Secondly, anyone who has ever tried to network anything--I have three computers--knows that you need to have unique hostnames.  Why PCLOS should
make it difficult to implement that is beyond me. At least one other distro has it built into the install routine.
Thirdly: I wound up using the NVidia driver in the distro, but it had not been immediately obvious that it applied to my card. So it should not have impacted
anything that I reported as problems. The problem there was insufficient documentation in the system. Typical, I'm afraid.
Fourth: Epson provides a driver for their printer which pclos is apparently too far behind the times to list, and that always worked in the past--because of
various other difficulties, there's no way to tell whether or not it caused problems this time.  One should remember that the original distro was a continuously
upgraded version from early 2011, not the fresh 2012.08 version. Some may say "same thing" but I doubt it.
Fifth: It has always been my impression that Linux was a system designed so that users could customize it, not a system like MIcrosoft, or worse, Apple,
where you take it like it is, and if you aren't satisfied, you lump it.
Finally, what I was actually trying to do--two things: get a system that worked as well as my system did two months ago, before you broke KSnapshot,
and second, solve a problem with some apps--one native Linux (Dosbox) and one Wine implementation of MS Pinball, that scrambled the widgets in the
display.  this second problem I was attacking based on input from the forum, and that input, from here, certainly offered in good faith, didn't work, and
I was attempting to fix it. So that was before I to try and install 2012.08, not after!  That's why I was trying to install 2012.08, and ran into all
this difficulty, just trying to get back to approximately where I was two months ago.

I will try again. I'm used to pclos, and I do not want to start with something completely alien, like Ubuntu, and the one system I looked at just doesn't cut it.

One more time.     --doug


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Re: install and setup woes
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2012, 11:11:21 PM »

How to set up a host name:

1. start pcc
2. go to internet and network
3. click set up network and internet
4. select the interface you are using,wired or wireless,it does not matter.
5. click next
6. select an interface and then click next
7. select automatic or manual configuration, it doesnt matter which one, click next
8. On  the dialog that will show up, the last input entry is "host name", enter the name you want and finish up the process.
9. Logging out and back in should do the trick,to be safe, restart.

This is how you set up a host name in pclinuxos.

Did you do the above and the name did not stick? If not,then you hit a bug,report it.I do not find the above to be difficult.

About networking,if you are referring to samba networking,the name that will show up on the network is netbios name,it falls back to computer hostname if it is not set.PClinuxos GUI tools that deals with samba configuration has an option to set netbios name.

I could also write a point by point instructions for you on how to setup netbios name if you use samba for networking,do you use samba for networking?

About your other problems,i think it will be best if you start other threads,each problem in its own thread after you have reinstall to discuss them.

It will also be useful if you stick to the technical stuff,threats of going to other distros do not help, comments on your level of frustrations do not help either,what are we to do with that kind of information?
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Re: install and setup woes
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2012, 11:58:27 PM »
I apologize for the amount of frustration that I have let pass thru to the forum.  I do, however, think that it is useful to point out things that
should work but don't.

I expect I will try again to set up 3012.08 on Wenesday, or maybe Tuesday nite. If and when I get it working, I would appreciate any advice or
pointers I can get about networking. I only got a little of it working before.  I will have a Windows 7 machine and two Linux machines (both pclos)
and perhaps will want to make one of the dual-boot XP machines part of it also. If it cannot be peer to peer, then I don't care which machine is
the server--the main Linux machine would be fine.

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Re: install and setup woes
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2012, 02:00:05 PM »
When I installed 2012.08, I made no attempt to retain my old ~ directory.  I therefore had to customise KDE from scratch.  I hate having to do that but I wanted a clean installation, not a mixture of old and new.

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Re: install and setup woes
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2012, 03:05:56 PM »
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I expect I will try again to set up 3012.08 on Wenesday, or maybe Tuesday nite.

Seems time travel takes up some time after all  ;D  ;D ;D
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Re: install and setup woes
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2012, 03:54:21 PM »

How to set up a host name:

1. start pcc
2. go to internet and network
3. click set up network and internet
4. select the interface you are using,wired or wireless,it does not matter.
5. click next
6. select an interface and then click next
7. select automatic or manual configuration, it doesnt matter which one, click next
8. On  the dialog that will show up, the last input entry is "host name", enter the name you want and finish up the process.
9. Logging out and back in should do the trick,to be safe, restart.

This is how you set up a host name in pclinuxos.

Did you do the above and the name did not stick? If not,then you hit a bug,report it.I do not find the above to be difficult.

About networking,if you are referring to samba networking,the name that will show up on the network is netbios name,it falls back to computer hostname if it is not set.PClinuxos GUI tools that deals with samba configuration has an option to set netbios name.

I could also write a point by point instructions for you on how to setup netbios name if you use samba for networking,do you use samba for networking?



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