protecting the Cashew etc

[YouCanToo]

Like I said I had not found it. But in all honesty, I did not spend much time looking for it either.

I found it (ihatethecashew), built it and it does not work for me.

Galen

OK, I found the source for the rpm that I used that does work. I put it on my server along with the actual rpm here http://members.findmoore.net/pclosusers/ihatethecashew/

[gseaman]

I will try it out, and if it works, I'll package it.

Galen

[ternor]

So much ado about next to nothing.  Drag the cashew to a corner of the desktop and you'll barely notice it.  Mind you, I seldom see the desktop at all.

[gseaman]

So much ado about next to nothing.  Drag the cashew to a corner of the desktop and you'll barely notice it.  Mind you, I seldom see the desktop at all.

The problem is that it is making it easy for new users to get into trouble. I would try to get them to use lxde.

Galen

[Tony]

I think new users will always get into a bit of trouble playing around with 'The Look' of their desktop on any OS, it's maybe part of the journey ?

I know I've got a setup I like, developed over years in KDE, and I just don't want to play any more with widgets that can give you the idgets

[llewellyn]

So much ado about next to nothing.  Drag the cashew to a corner of the desktop and you'll barely notice it.  Mind you, I seldom see the desktop at all.

The cashew naturally lives in the top right cprner pf the screen  it is barely visible but kids always manage to hit it within days

The problem is that it is making it easy for new users to get into trouble. I would try to get them to use lxde.
No Galen those six full monty screens and the menus on the left of panel shows off Linux in a briliant way. I have been starting with thhe fullmonty screens and getting sufficient attention to convince people to change from you know who. Every computer out there comes from the shop with Windows and people have to have BIG incentive to change.
But I show the kids they can have own recording studios (video and sound). Learn to play music ,learn languages, do a disco using the pc, build a rocket , the list just goes on and oni. Then I convince Mom and DAD by showing them the child protection and that each kid can have time restriction  on his her  personal user login plus protection from Porn and dad begins to be a bit more interested. Show Dad the Educational stuff and he is very interested . I have just learned how to T Virtual box and so it is easy to get dad to let me put his windows  on as a guest. I am probably breaking dozens of laws giving away installations with XP installed as guest which runs perfectly on my own PC, but that gets a whole family of dedicated PClinuxOS users. I fix it so only dad has the root password  and if his name is john his root password is simply JOHNONLY
I want to conclude this with my own very special personal thanks to the Full Monty team and PClos  team for introducing   a system from which I have had such massive benefit and great fun. After years running Linux of different flavors I have leaned more in a few short months than I learned over all those years. Thank you. PS I am learning Spanish ala PClinuxOS
When this cashew problem is resolved I am going to introduce  alive boot dvd to the head of the local school.

The ideal is for Full Monty just not to give any access to cashew or activities.

[kjpetrie]

You are distributing copies of pclos which have been doctored to include a pirate copy of Windows, and you expect people here to approve?

What you are doing could get us all into trouble and get the distro closed down by the copyright authorities.

I have reported your last post to the moderators.

[pinoc]

I have started coding a little script (hidethecashew) which will do just that, already works fine on a standard KDE but needs some more tuning for the FM. I will finish it up next Monday, then post it here for testing, and if all works ok I can make a package for it so it can be installed via Synaptic.
-p.

[llewellyn]

No I am not distributing  copies of PClos that are doctored. I backup the users own machune which iether has XP or Win 7 supplied with it. I give them a PClos live boot disk which enables them to install Full Monty and also enables them to install VBOX.
The changes I have made to Full Monty only re arranged what icons apear on the desktop screens
There are two conditions present. Mostly the owner of the computer badly wants Win7 off his machine
He cannot uninstall and reinstall 7 or the XP he had before because the machine was supplied with windows installed and no disks to enable him to re install.
I could of course change to installing vbox on the windows machine and running Fullmonty as guest and in veiw of your reaction I will go that route.
With a bit of luck a virus will eventually wipe out his windows by which time he would have become happy to use PClos for everything and forget about windows all together. That would be easy as long as all his data is backed up.
In Johannesburg there are a host of small companies that Charge R500 a time to revert windows 7 machines to XP and they are doing a roaring trade.
There is a husband and wife team in Johannesburg who have been given a huge contract by a major bank. They must remove all Microsoft product from all the banks terminals and servers. They are doing it with SUSE.

[Just17]

llewellyn

I am probably breaking dozens of laws giving away installations with XP installed as guest

Yes you would probably be.

You would probably break less of course if you provided the means to use a VDi in VirtualBox that matches the licence for the PC on which you are doing the install.

I don't know what others' attitude might be, but I would be inclined to keep a VDi of XP & Win7 separate and provide one as a separate facility from yourself to the owner, and not have it included in the remaster.

In that way you are supplying a remaster of PCLOS that is ready to accept a VDi in VirtualBox .....  which Full Monty already does, IIUC.

I guess what I am trying to say is that you should keep PCLOS 'clean' so there is no come-back on PCLinuxOS and do what you need to do afterwards.

......  of course maybe that is what you are doing ......

[Tony]

Thanks pinoc for your tireless work.
Honestly I can see any User doing as much damage to a KDE PCLinuxOS installation simply 'right clicking' the Desktop, which maybe you are alluding with script hidethecashew, however it is not mentioned so most likely not.Also "unlocking Panel Settings and Widgets", can give a new User a few hours of cursing too.
Really I'm not sure why such sensitivity about the 'Cashew' has arisen when it has always been there, as long as I've been using PCLOS since 2009, as far as I remember. (?)

As far as coupling a 'Live' v. of PCLinuxOS with Win XP, or Vista, or Win7 there's quite a few options, or nuisances with the way Windows is Distrubuted which make it a really bad idea from my perspective.
1.) OEM install of Windows. With no Disk, just the 25 Digit product Key
2.) A Recovery Disk version of Windows, which activates a fresh install of Windows from a hidden partition, which could overlap with 1.)
3. Simplest; a Damn Windows Disk, and the right to uninstall, re-install.

*Can I distribute a remastered version of PCLinuxOS?

Probably have just confused everybody, as I am trying hard myself to understand what purpose llewellyn is serving.
Simply handing a friend a Live DVD, or medium that suits is most practical as it can be used as intended; Trial a Live PCLinuxOS version.
Next; create a 'Dual Boot' situation.
Or as suggested by Just17 a VirtualBox solution.
llewellyn:

There are two conditions present. Mostly the owner of the computer badly wants Win7 off his machine
He cannot uninstall and reinstall 7 or the XP he had before because the machine was supplied with windows installed and no disks to enable him to re install.

Disks are available from Microsoft which has to be a consideration. Why people loose their disks is not MS's fault, whether it be a Company's Recovery Disks, to access the Windows installation Partition, or the offical MS Windows installation disk. I've been doing this so long and a call to Microsoft can be quite easily a fix to either scenario. It costs money is all !

Also, you can wipe any busted Win install HDD with a Live CD (our default terminology, or mine) by running:
[root@localhost ~]# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=4096
Zeroing (wiping clean) the Hard Drive. Search: Old-Polack.
This is my way of dealing with infected Win HDD's these days, and is free if you have a "LiveCD."


I totally agree with Just17:

You would probably break less of course if you provided the means to use a VDi in VirtualBox that matches the licence for the PC on which you are doing the install.

I don't know what others' attitude might be, but I would be inclined to keep a VDi of XP & Win7 separate and provide one as a separate facility from yourself to the owner, and not have it included in the remaster.

My attitude is:

I guess what I am trying to say is that you should keep PCLOS 'clean' so there is no come-back on PCLinuxOS and do what you need to do afterwards.

......  of course maybe that is what you are doing ......

You could get PCLinuxOS into a legal problem from what I've read llewellyn, through being a little clumsy with your Remastering.

I'd take the clearest, simplest path as I've tried to (probably very badly) explained. And other wiser than I.  
*** Notice to all would be remaster creators ***

[kjpetrie]

Sorry if I misunderstood. I thought you meant you were giving away pclos remasters with Windows incorporated in them, making it look as if pclos was involved in piracy. I'm pleased to hear that's not what you meant.

I can see the cashew (always looks more like a hearing aid to me) presents a temptation to someone exploring the desktop if they don't know what it's for and by the time they find out it's too late. That's because KDE presumably assume everyone will start with a blank desktop and change it to what they want, and by distributing it highly customised already Full Monty doesn't match their expectations. Pinoc's script could be a good idea in that situation.

[kaptain_zero]

I just don't see the reason for having a useless (to me) icon cluttering up my desktop... I am fully capable of using more than one button on my mouse, so if I need to access those features, a simple right click on the desktop and I'm there. I also see it (the cashew) has found itself a home on my panel... Again, all this does is waste space, something I'd rather use for widgets I want.

It's about choice.... I like KDE but I hate the cashew, why can't I have *my* computer the way *I* like it?  We used to have the ihatethecashew widget, but now it's gone...  Please, someone bring it back!?!?!?

Regards

Christian

[kjpetrie]

Lock widgets to remove the one on the panel. (Unless you've installed an extra one!)

[YouCanToo]

I just don't see the reason for having a useless (to me) icon cluttering up my desktop... I am fully capable of using more than one button on my mouse, so if I need to access those features, a simple right click on the desktop and I'm there. I also see it (the cashew) has found itself a home on my panel... Again, all this does is waste space, something I'd rather use for widgets I want.

It's about choice.... I like KDE but I hate the cashew, why can't I have *my* computer the way *I* like it?  We used to have the ihatethecashew widget, but now it's gone...  Please, someone bring it back!?!?!?

Regards

Christian

See posts 15, 16 and 22 - people are working on it.