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In a nutshell, I work in a (fairly quiet) warehouse that allows you to listen to music on your mp3/smartphone, whatever you have.

I have the volume settings just right for various things, including music. I love classical as well, and some albums are much softer. I "could" just raise the volume on the phone, but I may forget and turn on some other album and it'd be too loud.


My question is, is there some software where you can raise the volume on the MP3s? There should be. If you can edit tracks, and the information, change the artwork, etc, a volume increase software should be somewhere.
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Re: Any software to be able to have volume raised in the MP3 when burning?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2012, 07:23:48 PM »
There are many programs that can do that. I would start with my favorite, audacity.

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Re: Any software to be able to have volume raised in the MP3 when burning?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2012, 07:35:46 PM »
There are many programs that can do that. I would start with my favorite, audacity.

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Re: Any software to be able to have volume raised in the MP3 when burning?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2012, 07:39:57 PM »
audacity, i never used it for that particular purpose but i'm sure it can do it, but it will do it after importing the audio file and then exporting it again, it is a one file per time but you can do alot more with it

i know there is a audio normalization function in k3b but k3b is sometimes temperamental and i haven't used it since 2010

i know there was a servicemenu but right now on repos i find two apps, aacgain and easymp3gain, both can do what you need afik

mp3gain seems to be a cli tool(not sure about this), not sure if you know haw to handle cli, i personally only use gui tools

remember that when the audio file has low quality, lower than 160kbps you will amplify audio defects on the file, sometimes louder is not better
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Re: Any software to be able to have volume raised in the MP3 when burning?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2012, 08:06:39 PM »
maybe I didn't understand Audacity. Someone else suggested it, and I actually got lost in there, for whatever reason. I'll look into this again.

Yeah, I think one mp3 soundtrack I got off the net was recorded too high, and I hear some form of static in one song.
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Re: Any software to be able to have volume raised in the MP3 when burning?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2012, 08:19:37 PM »
There is likely an easier way to adjust the volume than using audacity, but for general audio editing, it doesn't get any easier.

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Re: Any software to be able to have volume raised in the MP3 when burning?
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2012, 09:21:44 PM »
I'm still lost when using audacity. I see one place that says amplify, but if I raise it at all, the "OK" grays out.
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Re: Any software to be able to have volume raised in the MP3 when burning?
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2012, 10:11:06 PM »
You will have to accept "Allow clipping" and be sure not to let the peak amplitudes 'touch' the maximum and minimum levels. Or you could choose normalize which allows you to set the safety margin so that there is no clipping. This would probably not be the best for you intended use, as the low points would remain low. Normalize will increase the variation between the maximum and minimum levels.

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Re: Any software to be able to have volume raised in the MP3 when burning?
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2012, 10:36:45 PM »
Hi, Vanguard-741,

I got a little sidetracked by the subject line - you're talking about ripping or transcoding/converting as opposed to burning (burning involves putting something on a CD or DVD medium).  Anyhoo...

What you're attempting to do is easy in Audacity, but you'll be working on a per-file basis.

First, when working with MP3, WAV, WMA, or OGG files, Import the file to Audacity's native format (the Import command in in the File menu).  Mouse over Import and then select Audio from the Import submenu.

Next, click in the grey area on the left side of the track window (anywhere underneath the playback gain and panning ("balance") sliders to select the entire track (or both "tracks" of a stereo source).  You should see the track areas go a darker grey color when they highlight.

{Hey, Galen, I think this is why Amplify was greyed out - no selection was made.  It should not be necessary to accept clipping - that's generally a bad thing in terms of audio quality of the finished track.}

Then go to your Effect menu and select either Amplify or Normalize.  If I were you, I would choose Normalize, since you probably want volume levels for all your tracks to be pretty much consistent at peak volume.  (I see Galen disagrees with me here.  Make up your own mind as you play with things.)

Normalization finds the highest volume level and amplifies or attenuates it to a standard or "normal" level of 0db.  (That level is actually a bit "hot" for Audio CD or radio broadcast use - and if that's a thing for you, you should set the level in the dialog box to -3db.  That will tend to be friendlier to audio preamps and such, as it's not quite as loud.)  For an MP3 player, 0db will be fine as long as it doesn't overdrive the player's amp.  Play with it for a bit, and whatever level you settle on as best for you, do the same with all your tracks.

Amplify is a bit more generic, but it has much the same end.  The real difference here is that Amplify will allow you to push the amplified signal much louder, and, if the checkbox for it is clicked, it will allow clipping in the amplified signal (that's not a good idea quality-wise, though...).  Normalize will actually accomplish what you want with less fuss, I think...  it's really a matter of preference here.

A discussion on the differences between Normalize and Amplify is in the manual online:

http://wiki.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Amplify_and_Normalize

Don't forget to save your work when it's done.  Click File ==> Export... and nose around in the dialog box a bit. Here's where you can either save the file back to it's original source (overwriting it with the new file), redirect the output to another folder (or file name) so you have both the original and the new, and you can also change formats (e.g., if you're working with a .WAV file you could easily transcode it to an MP3 from here.)  Selecting the Options button in this dialog will let you see and change things like the bitrate of the track (basically, the quality of the recording and the size of the resulting file - lower bitrates mean less quality and smaller files).

When you're ready to export your file, click OK.

As you play with Audacity, you'll find other uses for it, too.  It's a great all-around multi-track recording and editing package.

If you haven't already done it, give the Audacity Help file a looking at.  It's good reading, and starts from first principles progressing to more interesting topics.

Good luck in your endeavors.  Holler back if you need more info.

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Re: Any software to be able to have volume raised in the MP3 when burning?
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2012, 10:59:51 PM »
If you want to retain as much variation in amplitude (volume) between the loud and soft sounds, you want normalize. This is ideal if your speakers/headphones are adequate and you have a quiet listening environment. If you want all of the music louder, like turning up the volume, you want amplify. Just choose 'New Peak Amplitude' 0.9 or some number less the 1.0 and you should not have clipping. In some noisy settings, you may even want the soft volumes amplified, but the peaks limited. In this scenario, you would choose 'compressor'.

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Re: Any software to be able to have volume raised in the MP3 when burning?
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2012, 12:04:27 AM »
If you want to retain as much variation in amplitude (volume) between the loud and soft sounds, you want normalize. This is ideal if your speakers/headphones are adequate and you have a quiet listening environment. If you want all of the music louder, like turning up the volume, you want amplify. Just choose 'New Peak Amplitude' 0.9 or some number less the 1.0 and you should not have clipping. In some noisy settings, you may even want the soft volumes amplified, but the peaks limited. In this scenario, you would choose 'compressor'.

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Now I might be wrong about this, but I was of the understanding that there is no difference between normalization and amplification for a single mono track unless a DC offset is present.  Normalization will remove any offset present in the original source.  Amplification will not do this.  In fact, the manual recommends not using Amplify on a source with an offset present until it is first removed using Normalize.

Where stereo tracks are normalized as a pair, if there are intentional differences in the levels of the left and right tracks (happens a lot in classical music recordings), then normalizing will tend to raise the peak level of the lower to that of the higher as both are brought to the "normal" level, thus altering the original balance of the two tracks, and lessening the actual dynamic balance between them.  In the latest version of Audacity, this can be prevented by telling Normalize not to treat the left and right tracks independently (which is the default setting).

A quick copy from the manual:

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In 1.3.14 and later you *can* normalize stereo tracks without changing their channel balance, but only if a) the stereo track is not split into Left and Right and b) "Normalize stereo channels independently" is unchecked.

There have been very lively discussions about differences between amplification and normalization in the Audacity fora, and the authors of the program went to some lengths to explain all this in the docs because of it.  Note that behavior of Audacity prior to 1.3.4 is different from this, but we are running Audacity 2.0.2 so this section of the manual should still apply.

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« Last Edit: September 08, 2012, 12:11:29 AM by horusfalcon »
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Re: Any software to be able to have volume raised in the MP3 when burning?
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2012, 12:28:13 AM »
I stand corrected. horusfalcon, you've definitely read more recent info on this than me. I did not know that 'normalize' worked on left and right channels. This would not be good. I've got some reading to do. ;D

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Re: Any software to be able to have volume raised in the MP3 when burning?
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2012, 02:34:14 AM »
Hi Vanguard-741
+1 to Galen and Horusfalcon  :)
I would just like to add a little note: Remember that when importing a mp3-file, editing it and then saving as mp3 again you will loose quality due to re-encoding, instead you might want to select flac-format when exporting, as it is a lossless format.
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Re: Any software to be able to have volume raised in the MP3 when burning?
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2012, 05:24:02 AM »
A nice tool for normalizing the volume level of multiple files is mp3gain

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MP3Gain does not just do peak normalization, as many normalizers do.
Instead, it does some statistical analysis to determine how loud
the file actually sounds to the human ear. Also, the changes MP3Gain
makes are completely lossless. There is no quality lost in the change
because the program adjusts the mp3 file directly, without decoding
and re-encodiing.

It is a command-line program but it also has a nice GUI. You can find it in the repos by searching for mp3gain (the GUI is called easymp3gain)
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Re: Any software to be able to have volume raised in the MP3 when burning?
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2012, 06:16:07 AM »
I stand corrected. horusfalcon, you've definitely read more recent info on this than me. I did not know that 'normalize' worked on left and right channels. This would not be good. I've got some reading to do. ;D

Galen

Man, there were a lot of changes made to Audacity in general between 1.3.13 and 1.3.14 - the user community got a big chance to have input to those changes and the developers responded in a big way to the feedback they received.  One of the things that makes Audacity such a great tool is this back and forth between its user community and the devs.  In that, they share a lot in common with PCLinuxOS, I think.

I've been playing with Audacity for a long time (since back when I was still running that other OS from Redmond...).  It's a great tool for any simple and small audio projects, and it just keeps getting better.

@cdbc:

There are a lot of considerations which might weigh in favor of the MP3 format here:

 - Any loss over a single import/export in Audacity is going to be minimal.  Audacity project files (it's "native format") are sufficiently high resolution that only very slight artifacting occurs over a single import/export transaction.

- Most commercial MP3 players/smartphones do not support FLAC (the big exception here being some Android devices).  Might be better to export to a format the target player can deal with.

- FLAC is going to generally result in a larger file size after export than even high bitrate MP3.

- FLAC is not going to reproduce an original imported from MP3 format significantly better than MP3 at the same or higher bitrate as the original.  Not much is gained in the trade except in terms of file size (and that's not really a good thing).

As with most things, it's a trade-off.  We work to the constraints of our environment.

@agmg:

MP3Gain sounds like a really neat tool.  Thanks for the tip!  (I'll have to play around with it some and see how I like it.  I have some normalizing to do, myself. ;D)

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« Last Edit: September 08, 2012, 06:34:59 AM by horusfalcon »
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