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Offline Bald Brick

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Overheating
« on: September 03, 2012, 02:04:14 PM »
This is a tip for dummies.

A couple of weeks ago my computer started overheating. Even watching a five-minute clip on YouTube could get it to shut down.

Naturally I first of all removed all visible dust in the case by vacuuming it and using compressed air. That didn't help much. Then I cleaned everything with alcohol, or at least everything I could reach. That didn't help much either.

And I started to read up on replacing cooler units with better fans and using fresher thermal paste.

But then I noticed a toothpick on a table. So before going to a store to get thermal paste and possibly a new fan I tried one last thing. I used a toothpick to clean all the slots in the heat sink. That required some dexterity as they were covered by a fan that I didn't remove.

But as a result of the experiment the CPU temperatures of my system have gone down by about 30°C.

So forget about blowing and sucking and using alcohol. Blowing and sucking won't clean the slots. Get a toothpick!
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Re: Overheating
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2012, 03:35:28 PM »
i'm going to presume that's a laptop.  in a pc, four screws hold the fan in place and are easy to remove to allow access to the slots.
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Re: Overheating
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2012, 03:46:23 PM »
I also have used a toothpick! I use a small compressor that came with an air mattress to blow the dust out of the computers, it's powerful and saves me from buying cans of compressed air. The compressor does not get any contaminates on anything and the tips that came with it really concentrate the airflow to remove the dust from stubborn areas. I bought the little compressor 8 years ago, it was a good investment.   

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Re: Overheating
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2012, 03:56:38 PM »
i'm going to presume that's a laptop.  in a pc, four screws hold the fan in place and are easy to remove to allow access to the slots.

I know. But it's a desktop. I thought that if I removed the whole cooling unit I'd have to remove all the old thermal  paste and replace it with fresh paste before I could put it back again. And I hadn't got any fresh paste at the time so I didn't. (Although I seem to remember that somebody on the net indicated that you could actually use mayonnaise instead. But then I don't believe everything I read.)
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Re: Overheating
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2012, 04:08:12 PM »
I believe what JD was referring to is that most fans can be removed from the heatsink without removing the heatsink from the CPU
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Re: Overheating
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2012, 06:28:07 PM »
I believe what JD was referring to is that most fans can be removed from the heatsink without removing the heatsink from the CPU

This is true; usually just small phillips head screws; sometimes just enough thread to wedge between the fins.

I use a 1" natural bristle paint brush to clean between the fins.

During winter hibernation I schedule major cleaning sessions.  :)

Don't be afraid to poke around inside.  ;D
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Re: Overheating
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2012, 08:09:15 PM »
I believe what JD was referring to is that most fans can be removed from the heatsink without removing the heatsink from the CPU

This is true; usually just small phillips head screws; sometimes just enough thread to wedge between the fins.

I use a 1" natural bristle paint brush to clean between the fins.

During winter hibernation I schedule major cleaning sessions.  :)

Don't be afraid to poke around inside.  ;D

Well, I am when it comes to the fans. Fifteen years ago I broke one trying to remove it from the heat sink with the heat sink in place.  :'(

After that I've been very cautious. But a paint brush is of course what I should have used.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2012, 08:19:34 PM by Bald Brick »
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Re: Overheating
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2012, 09:12:54 PM »
just18 has it right.  sometimes the screws can be a bit stubborn.  holding a screwdriver vertically into the head and giving it a gentle tap with a hammer can loosen the bonds, but this requires care.
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Re: Overheating
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2012, 11:47:12 PM »
I also have used a toothpick! I use a small compressor that came with an air mattress to blow the dust out of the computers, it's powerful and saves me from buying cans of compressed air. The compressor does not get any contaminates on anything and the tips that came with it really concentrate the airflow to remove the dust from stubborn areas. I bought the little compressor 8 years ago, it was a good investment.   

Thank you for posting this!  I have an air compressor for use with air mattresses, and it never occurred to me that I could use it to blow out my machines.  When I worked at a bigger shop we had a big air compressor that we used, but for my own purposes this makes excellent sense.

Thanks again!

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Re: Overheating
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2012, 12:36:21 AM »
Because I live in a coastal area, and have worked in marine environments, I became aware that if screws holding the fan in place have been there for a long while, galvanic corrosion between the aluminum fins and the (usually) steel or brass screws can make them difficult to extract.  I usually remove the screws first chance I get on receipt of a system, and replace them with new fasteners (unless they're still really new). 

If the fan is pulled at every maintenance interval (I go about six months), the fasteners generally don't have time to corrode unless you live near a body of salt or brackish water.

If you can get hold of some, medical swabs (which have less cotton on the tips than regular Q-Tips, and have a long, slender wooden shaft) are excellent for all sorts of detailed cleaning work.  (I haven't seen any on sale in the pharmacies around here... only at the few remaining electronics parts stores in the state).  They have the reach to get in those deep places without disturbing stuff too much.

I figure nobody here needs it, but I'd feel remiss if I didn't remind everyone to only do work cleaning inside a computer's case with the system shut down, the power off, the cord unplugged, and the power button pressed down for several seconds after unplugging (check for a standby LED on the board and make sure it's out).  If it's a laptop, please also pull the battery, even if it's known to be "dead".  Safety First.

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Re: Overheating
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2012, 06:44:53 PM »
I figure nobody here needs it, but I'd feel remiss if I didn't remind everyone to only do work cleaning inside a computer's case with the system shut down, the power off, the cord unplugged, and the power button pressed down for several seconds after unplugging (check for a standby LED on the board and make sure it's out).  If it's a laptop, please also pull the battery, even if it's known to be "dead".  Safety First.

For user safety I guess that advice is good. I leave my machines off but plugged in so that I have an automatic ground to prevent static discharge. It's much less restrictive than a wrist strap. There's a much greater risk of me unknowingly damaging a component via static discharge than there is of me sticking my finger where it doesn't belong and getting zapped.

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Re: Overheating
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2012, 12:32:23 AM »
This work well in tight spots



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Re: Overheating
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2012, 02:06:09 AM »
I'd bet pipe cleaners would work well - just be aware that their center is bare wire, and conductive.  Be careful to avoid BIOS backup batteries with these if you use them.  Even though the power is off, damage can still occur if the positive terminal of the battery is shorted to the right spot.

(You could go to the extreme of removing the battery, but then you lose all your BIOS settings... usually not a good thing.)

For heat-sink fins, though, these would work very well.  (Might work well for cleaning fan blades, too, if done carefully.)

lysar mentioned leaving the power cord plugged in while working?  I'll take that up in a separate topic.  There are good reasons why this is not the best practice, and there are some methods that can be used instead that won't be too inconvenient either.

When I get that put together, I'll edit this post to link to it.

Link:  Safety Best Practices for Computer Work

(Warning - the original post in the linked thread is a beastly long one... the info on grounding is toward the end.  Be sure to read the Warnings in Red before attempting to build the projects described.)

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« Last Edit: September 05, 2012, 04:11:30 AM by horusfalcon »
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Re: Overheating
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2012, 06:20:56 AM »
I find the only place I need the pipe cleaners is in my CPU fan;



It is not easy to get at everything in it. Everywhere else is pretty open.
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Re: Overheating
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2012, 02:21:55 PM »
Hi,

I can go to the dollar bill store and get a whole set of the tiny
screwdrivers for $1.00

Great for those tiny screws in plastic and the top of regulators
on circuit boards, but, if you touch something without rubber
gloves on around the circuit board be prepared for a very, very,
sizable shock.   Computer engineers only should ever touch any
of those regulators, if any, or the surrounding framework.

My machine hovers around 135-140 F,  when in heavy use it's 153 F
with the fan on.   Then in seconds after the process finishes it returns
to 135-140 F  and just hovers there again, fan off.

So my CPU sensor is working and overall everything is working, so
I'll leave my machine as-is for the time being.

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