OK ,now i'm really confused. I have rebooted and ran updates again and phonon is back, I un-installed it again, and sound is back working. I think I have a gremlin in my lap top. I don't use this thing very often, so maybe it was just a hic-cup, or maybe I'm just senile. either way, it's working for now. Thanks for the reply muungwana , if it does it again I will follow your advice. thank you.