New KDE cheat sheet.

[horusfalcon]

Just18 I did that and now kdenetwork-kppp-provider is shown as broken.

Will I be without internet if I uninstall it?

Did you sort this? (I was sleeping)
Install the 4.8.3 versions of what you uninstalled?

I haven't updated to 4.8.3 since kdenetwork-kppp-provider is broken. If I end without internet uninstalling it there is no point, that is why I'm asking if it is safe to erase it. It isn't clear to me what that file do.

Just asking, but did you start a separate thread for this issue yet?  If not, it's getting interesting enough you might want to consider it.

Gotta go... work this evening.

Later On,
D

[cdbc]

Hi Oldguy
Very nice work  Just used your "cheat sheet" in collaboration with O-P's upgrade guide and it worked like a charm 

Thanks alot and I have to say, kde 4.8.3 looks really great 

Regards Benny

[Tony]

I have to poke my head in and say after being kind of peeved about accidentally updating the sources.list and then being in a position to have to follow through with the KDE 4.8.3 Update; on the positive side of the other positive side, ugh, I made a Live USB of my system before updating.
I'm quite proud of myself as I've learned some stuff, which I think I read Archie, or Neal, or maybe O-P said that we all should try to learn something new at this pivotal (disastrous) point, think it was Archie actually.

Heck, a Live USB of my own System from before the upgrade to KDE 4.8.3, I'm using it now, plus are a bit excited as you can probably tell. 

@ Crow, maybe use a LiveCD until you get time to troubleshoot, and ask in another, prominent thread pertaining to those files. 
It's what we say to everyone, and sometimes forget to do ourselves; Don't Panick.

[Crow]

Abraxas I have LXDE as a backup, if KDE gets borked I will just change and won't return.

Anyway, I want to do this update because as you said "we all should try to learn something new".

Who knows? maybe I'll find KDE is not worth all the stress

[Archie]

I have to poke my head in and say after being kind of peeved about accidentally updating the sources.list and then being in a position to have to follow through with the KDE 4.8.3 Update; on the positive side of the other positive side, ugh, I made a Live USB of my system before updating.
I'm quite proud of myself as I've learned some stuff, which I think I read Archie, or Neal, or maybe O-P said that we all should try to learn something new at this pivotal (disastrous) point, think it was Archie actually.

Heck, a Live USB of my own System from before the upgrade to KDE 4.8.3, I'm using it now, plus are a bit excited as you can probably tell. 

@ Crow, maybe use a LiveCD until you get time to troubleshoot, and ask in another, prominent thread pertaining to those files. 
It's what we say to everyone, and sometimes forget to do ourselves; Don't Panick.

I didn't doubt your hocus-pocus, abracadabra would get you through. Congratulations on discovering the confidence that's always been there with you! And thumbs up on your LiveUSB.

[Tony]

Abraxas I have LXDE as a backup, if KDE gets borked I will just change and won't return.

Anyway, I want to do this update because as you said "we all should try to learn something new".

Who knows? maybe I'll find KDE is not worth all the stress

Crow, I didn't update KDE to 4.8.3 without incident. It was a very clerical method, comparing files in what to me is an unfamiliar environment, unfamiliar text editor, etc.

I'm certain you'll do what suits you, and do it with flair; sorry, I wasn't trying to undermine you in any way.  

Archie:

I didn't doubt your hocus-pocus, abracadabra would get you through. Congratulations on discovering the confidence that's always been there with you! And thumbs up on your LiveUSB.

Thanks Archie, probably overdid my celebration a little.  

It does seem keeping the size of /, and /home well under 10 GB's plus having 10 GB's free space to create your .ISO, when using mylivecd is the key to success. Dependant also on Hardware resources. From memory it ran for about 3 hours, creating the .ISO , which was 6.5 Gb's of total Data, building a 2.3 GB .ISO.  

Once that's done the PCLinuxOS Live USB creator pretty much does the work for you.  

[Phil]

Hi Abraxas,

"From memory it ran for about 3 hours" to back up your system using the live cd.

I back up my system with clonezilla (and have recovered it several times, needed to several times with the KDEupdate because of an argument with kmail2)
I back up my personal files twice a week with rsync via a cron job (plenty of front ends)

OK Abraxas, game on. I really should back up my system right now. I will use clonezilla, beginner options, save everything to sdb5, save image of system on sda1
(and for extra slowness check source partition and check image saved)

Time is 6:05, rebooting now.....

Time is 6:16, I am back and sda1 is backed up and all is good.

Note I did it the slow way, checked partition and image.

I swear by clonezilla, others swear by the livecd back up, and O-P does it his own way. You have choice.

To make PCLOS not just boring but tediously boring backing up your system is a must.


ps Hi J18, very funny. No I cannot boot it from a live cd. When my system goes kraanggg or I have an argument with it (like with kmail2), I have recovered it. Done it on my main machine several times, my old kde3.5 system at least twice (old disk threw up a ton of errors and would not boot), and on my mini itx box once, something caused it indigestion. For me clonezilla is the way to go.

Also each image takes up 2GB so I have a series of them.

When I did the live cd I think it took up 4GB and I only had cdroms at the time.

Each to their own. Backing up your system is a must though.

(If ever clonezilla fails I have my personal files and just need to install a system and get it back as I like it)

[Just17]

Hi Abraxas,

"From memory it ran for about 3 hours" to back up your system using the live cd.

I back up my system with clonezilla (and have recovered it several times, needed to several times with the KDEupdate because of an argument with kmail2)
I back up my personal files twice a week with rsync via a cron job (plenty of front ends)

OK Abraxas, game on. I really should back up my system right now. I will use clonezilla, beginner options, save everything to sdb5, save image of system on sda1
(and for extra slowness check source partition and check image saved)

Time is 6:05, rebooting now.....

  and when complete boot it from USB stick and CD/DVD 

[Crow]

Well, upgrade went upside down and took with it the log in screen, startx didn't work also so my second option DE (LXDE) was useless.  I'm reinstalling now keeping home.

KDE developers have their awn world, very far from users.

[Tony]

Phil said:

OK Abraxas, game on.

I don't play games online 

[Phil]

Glad I did a backup, system went weird and I nearly reached for clonezilla to recover. Ihad been messing with the graphics driver so kdm would not start. Realised eventually what I had done and corrected it via the terminal and PCC.

Just shows you cannot have enough backups......


ps to OldGuy - It appears the desktop trashcan icon is not saved. I backed up my desktop icon, right click, Copy To

If gone easiest recovery may be to apply a trashcan widget, Unlock Widgets > right click main desktop >add widget >File System widgets

[horusfalcon]

Well, upgrade went upside down and took with it the log in screen, startx didn't work also so my second option DE (LXDE) was useless.  I'm reinstalling now keeping home.

KDE developers have their awn world, very far from users.

Yeah, I feel your pain.  We went through this once already with the big switch to KDE 4 a while back.  I wonder what prompted such a huge shift in the system from 4.5 to 4.8?  I have to believe the KDE Team had good reasons for doing as they did, but they can be an obtuse bunch at times.

This, too, will pass.  Many will do as I have decided to, and wait it out for the upcoming August 2012 release.

Til then, hang in there, man.

Later On,
D

[ternor]

I'd like to add my gripe.  For the second time in several years an application called 'kjots' was updated in such a way that it could no longer display existing 'books' (chapters) and pages.  I believe some kde developers have rocks in their heads.  Why else would they assume that no one wishes continued access to existing notes?

Having said that, I see no reasonable alternative to kde.

[horusfalcon]

I'd like to add my gripe.  For the second time in several years an application called 'kjots' was updated in such a way that it could no longer display existing 'books' (chapters) and pages.  I believe some kde developers have rocks in their heads.  Why else would they assume that no one wishes continued access to existing notes?

Having said that, I see no reasonable alternative to kde.

Hmm... never attribute to malice what can easily be explained by stupidity?   

Nah, those evil dastards wanted you to lose access to your notes - it's the only explanation!

Seriously?  I have no clue except for a pearl of wisdom once uttered by Dr. Leonard McCoy:

(scowling) I know engineers - they love to change things! (/scowling)

Perhaps somewhere an individual with the right kind of chops is already working on a file converter for kjots?

Me?  I keep my notes in plain-text and HTML - something I know is not going to change so quickly and is readable by many different applications.

Shoot, it may be possible that some Perl monger here on the fora could noodle out the way forward for ya.  Consider starting a new thread about this, and post a sample notes file (that's not Top Secret), and see what happens.

Later On,
D