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Offline gesata

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When I look at websites they either have marketing hype or too much jargon this has me totally confused by all the hype so here goes.
This is for the 64 bit PC in my sig. I plan to buy an nvidia card.
1. I have DDR2 RAM in my PC. Most cards I see use DDR3 does that make a difference?
2. I have a PCI Express ×16 slot. I see PCI Express 2.0 on quite a few cards. Does this mean it'll be compatible with my PC? Does the 2.0 mean anything?
3.Is there anything else I need to know that I haven't asked due to inexperience?
My curiosity so far hasn't killed me but it's come close.
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Re: I'm going to be buying a new GPU for my PC & I need facts not hype
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2012, 07:38:49 AM »
When I look at websites they either have marketing hype or too much jargon this has me totally confused by all the hype so here goes.
This is for the 64 bit PC in my sig. I plan to buy an nvidia card.

Well, should work .. it often did

1. I have DDR2 RAM in my PC. Most cards I see use DDR3 does that make a difference?

DDR3 is cheaper now (and in fact forces you to throw away your DDR2 dimms). At least that is all most users would notice, ;D

2. I have a PCI Express ×16 slot. I see PCI Express 2.0 on quite a few cards. Does this mean it'll be compatible with my PC? Does the 2.0 mean anything?

It means only more biz for the hardware sellers, LOL!
(Yeah, I am a bit sarcastic today  :D)


3.Is there anything else I need to know that I haven't asked due to inexperience?

No but I think some would wonder as to what you wanna DO with the new setup, as that makes or brakes it working for you.
Good luck getting your new setup!



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Re: I'm going to be buying a new GPU for my PC & I need facts not hype
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2012, 07:46:32 AM »
Question 1- DDR2 Ram on your motherboard has nothing to do with the ram on your video card. The reference on the box or in the specs to DDR3 is the ram on the video card itself, mine is DDR5.

Question 2- Here is a link:

http://www.10stripe.com/featured/quick/pci-express-2-0.php
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Re: I'm going to be buying a new GPU for my PC & I need facts not hype
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2012, 08:39:37 AM »
the video card uses his own ram memory dedicated to the video, this ram is not used by the system pc only for the video card to store whatever information it needs to display images

recent video cards uses DDR5 to get more speed accessing that information, this extremely useful in high resolutions when playing high quality games, also could be helpful when using cad style apps when creating 3d objects or doing some animations, but other than that, it doesn't matter much, you will be able to see dvd movies, flash videos on youtube or just work normally with whatever ram you buy

i still use some old mainboards with pc133 ram shared with a old via video card, it still works well for basic stuff

about pci express 2.0, this is important for you depending what mainboard you have, i had experiences with some video cards not working well with old mainboards, sometimes a bios upgrade was required but in this case i would say that is not a problem

theoretically the video card should be backwards compatible with the previous pci express version and only not gain the extra speed offered by the new pci express standard that your mainboard doesn't have

something you don't mention is if your psu has the enough watts to make the new video card work, sometimes new video cards will use more power and psu will need to deliver more to the video card and if it is a bit limited you can experience stability problems

there is passive cooling and active cooling video cards, with or without a fan, if you don't like noise, i recommend passive cooling video cards, sometimes pasive cooling are cheaper and a bit more weak than the fan cooled version but if you are not going to play heavy games you won't see the difference

about amount of ram, i recommend you to get a video card with 1 gb of ram, you can find video cards with less ram but 1 gb is enough to run most games at 1080p resolutions(this depends on the cpu and system ram too, not only the video card), you could find video cards with more ram but if you are not going to play games at very high resolutions on multiple monitor setups, you won't use it, under normal circumstances you won't use 128 mbs of video ram in your video card so the rest is not used

about amd and nvidia, at the moment, there is more happy nvidia users on linux than amd users but i hear less amd unhappy users on the recent years so it is better for you to get a nvidia than a amd but if you find a good price on a amd card and you want to play on windows with it, amd could be a option

it would be good that if you have a list of possible candidates you let us know and if there is other users here could tell you to get or avoid certain model for a specific reason
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My curiosity so far hasn't killed me but it's come close.
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Re: I'm going to be buying a new GPU for my PC & I need facts not hype
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2012, 09:14:50 PM »
I'm looking at these 3.
A GT 520
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=nvidia+gpus&hl=en&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1022&bih=578&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=10125030626723125581&sa=X&ei=6U_2T8zALoS_rQGls42LCQ&ved=0CKABEOUNMAA

A GT 430
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=nvidia+gpus&hl=en&cid=1989893520122913720&os=tech-specs

GeForce 8400
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=nvidia+gpus+pny+8400&sqi=2&cid=13650175013064811692#p

I'm not sure if you guys needed the links but just in case there in too.
One more thing I have the stock 300W PSU.


I would personally go with the GT 520, if you look here:

http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=01G-P3-1521-KR

Your power supply will do for this card.

But this is my view, the decision is up to you.

I run a PNY Geforce GTX 550 Ti with PCLOS and it runs beautifully.

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Re: I'm going to be buying a new GPU for my PC & I need facts not hype
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2012, 09:19:51 PM »
I am using that GeForce 8400 in one of my boxes (only mine don't have a g of ram. I think mine only has 256m)

It does hi-res video and I have never had a problem with it.

« Last Edit: July 05, 2012, 09:35:50 PM by Rudge »


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Re: I'm going to be buying a new GPU for my PC & I need facts not hype
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2012, 09:30:40 PM »
i think that a 450w psu would be better but if the 300w works, keep it

if you see that the machine becomes unstable, works hotter than before or suddenly restarts, put a bigger one

from the list forget the 8400, too old and weak

the 520 looks nice but as i said, i would choose a passive cooled version

http://www.portatech.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?id=74021&r=p

this particular model will work with a good 300w psu or at least that is what it says on the website

now, it is bigger compared to the fan cooled version so if you have space limitations inside the case, it could be a problem

measure space before buying any card, if it is too long, tall or thick, it won't be what you need
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Re: I'm going to be buying a new GPU for my PC & I need facts not hype
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2012, 09:52:28 PM »
T6,
Thanks for the link I had not considered such a device.
My curiosity so far hasn't killed me but it's come close.
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Re: I'm going to be buying a new GPU for my PC & I need facts not hype
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2012, 10:42:05 PM »
They seemed to cover it all, but I would suggest ensure you double check the cards driver availability/stability on Linux. Granted if your not buying cutting edge you should at least get decent performance, I have only run into issues with cards that are within 1 year of release (even than mostly mobile chips).

Personally buying a new graphics card for me takes about a good 10-20 hours of research and comparison, but I'm a bit nit picky sometimes.  :P
Here is a site that provides some great benchmarks and reviews (not sure how hard it is to find old hardware on the site): http://benchmarkreviews.com/

Some useful sites for Nvidia driver support although I think most of the older cards will be supported without a problem in PCLinuxOS, because it's awesome!
http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/Projects/Drivers?action=show&redirect=VideoDrivers
http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/

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Re: I'm going to be buying a new GPU for my PC & I need facts not hype
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2012, 12:13:25 PM »
Well I want to thank all of you here for your advice it was of great help.
The one I got was a Nvidia GT 610 from PNY. I purchased it at my local BBY for 60 USD.
I've had it in my PC for about 6 days now and it works very well for me using the nvidia drivers.
Once again thank you!
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Re: I'm going to be buying a new GPU for my PC & I need facts not hype
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2012, 12:24:42 PM »

the 520 looks nice but as i said, i would choose a passive cooled version


+1  I've had the fans burn out on two different nVidia cards. Passively cooled ones just keep running.
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Re: I'm going to be buying a new GPU for my PC & I need facts not hype
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2012, 06:27:08 PM »
@T6
Yes, that one the, renamed 520. No one in my area (I'm one of those shop at a store types) sold a passive cooled one.
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Re: I'm going to be buying a new GPU for my PC & I need facts not hype
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2012, 06:39:05 PM »
"I'm one of those shop at a store types"

i do just the same, it is a part of the experience that i don't want to loose while i can

it looks like a great card, should be a good piece of hardware for the next 5 years at least

i hope it is not too noisy and you keep the machine clean and well maintained, each 4 or 6 months remove dust and check the fan

still great choice, enjoy  :)
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