problem update after install

[zorlac]

zorlac i havent had chance to test today ... i would advise until all the new updates are synced with the repo you follow these steps

Since I (luckily) didn't update into this quicksand & my systems working great I think I'm just gonna sit tight for a few months. 

[Old-Polack]

if you do not follow the above steps your system will break ... i will be working on an updated iso today that will resolve these issues ....

Kori

No offense Kori, but if one needs to do all that, the system if already broke, by my definition.

[Sproggy]

if you do not follow the above steps your system will break ... i will be working on an updated iso today that will resolve these issues ....

Kori

No offense Kori, but if one needs to do all that, the system if already broke, by my definition.

the system runs fine O-P ... it's the bad updates that cause the problems ... bad poppler update ... bad tetex/texlive update ... the system is not broken ... the dependencies of dependencies are broken ... tumbler relies on libpoppler ... gtk-doc relies on tetex/texlive ... what you are saying is you want me to rebuild 100 packages because of a broken few ... sod that for a game of soldiers ...

[LKJ]

for what it's worth. I just did the updates that borked my Phoenix install once I had rebooted. For whatever reason right clicking on the desktop still worked so I launched synaptic. reinstalled task-xfce and things seem to be back to normal although I can't install task-xfce-plugins.

I did a search for xfce4 plugins and just marked all of them except for the weather. those installed.

[LKJ]

maybe it was the Mayans

[monsee]

Monsee Phinx is no longer supported on this forum .... please use the phinx forum .... please also install the Phinx RC1 iso ....

Thank you very much, Sproggy. I will come on Phinx Forum, for this...
But my last post was only about Phoenix Edition (the your last 32 bit ISO, of course). NOT about my Phinx installation.

for the steps you state below ... did you delete the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences???

deleting this files allows the latest weather plugin update to be installed ...

so i will write this again ...

Yes: I, as first, closed Synaptic; second, I had deleted that file "preferences" (all, in my very fresh Phoenix 2012.2 32 bit installation... still in English language in that moment). Third, I opened Synaptic, re-charge package-list and mark for installation the "task-xfce4-plugins". No problem, for that. A pop-up explain me a package list to install and I accept. All packages (the "weather plugin" inclose) were marked. No problem for that. At last, I click to "Apply". Application start, but suddenly stop all work... an "alert-box" tell me that the test was failed and installations all was aborted.
So, I un-mark 2 packages (only these 2): the "task-xfce4-plugins" and the "weather-plugin". All other packages stay marked. In this way, I click (a second time attempt) to "Apply" and installation work fine (not for the 2 packages that I have excluded, of course, but for all other xfce4-related packages).
After, I attempt to localize my System in italian language, but Add-Locale fail. Add-locale tell me to uninstall totally the xfce4-related packages that I have installed on my System.
So, i do. And the localization process were go right (after the XFCE relate packages all uninstall).
At the end of localization, System is reboot.
Rebooting give me a System without the XFCE desktop-environment, but in italian language...
After login, I try to open Synaptic and reinstall all the XFCE related packages (excerpt for "task-xfce4-plugins" and the "weather-plugin"). So, I had my XFCE desktop back...
But, from that moment, Synaptic claim to me for uninstall all the XFCE related packages everytime I click on "Mark All Upgrades"...

firstly ... fresh install of the latest iso ...

as root delete the preferences file in /etc/apt/

launch synaptic ... click reload ... mark all upgrades ... and apply all the upgrades ... accepting to remove the xfce desktop ...

once the upgrade has completed do not exit synaptic and do not reboot ...

click search in synaptic and mark task-xfce and task-xfce-plugins for install ...

click search again and search xfce4-weather-plugin ... unmark it for installation ... accept that task-xfce-plugins will be kept ... then apply the installation

once installation is complete you can then exit synaptic and reboot ...

All this, identical, I had do.

once rebooted .. you will need to open XFCE Settings Manager >>> Window Manager and reselect your XFWM4 theme ...

and finally you will need to edit your launchers as they will have been removed .... Terminal ... Mousepad ... Thunar ... Synaptic ... PCC .... Web Browser ...

I had do, but Theme was unchanged (I had back the same theme I imposed, when my XFCE desktop come back, automatically. I select it the same, of course. But it was the right theme from before.
I hadn't to edit my launchers because I have a very-very fresh install and all launcers was the "default launcers".

if you do not follow the above steps your system will break ... i will be working on an updated iso today that will resolve these issues ....

Your work is -I can write it because I had see it by my eyes- a great and very beautiful work.
Im 'sorry, for these issues, but I think there was some break (some damaged item, some error in procedure: I don't know) into the updates or into the update-process (some broken or half-broken package, maybe?)
For you, the problem is big, because the localization-process (in a fresh installation) is more difficult and a little bizarre (it's need to uninstall the desktop-environment all before... and -after- localize! A very strange issue, don't you agree?)... Also, I think it's a problem, for any unexperienced user,  to have (from Synaptic) always the bizarre proposal to uninstall the XFCE desktop environment at all...
You (like all the PClinuxOS crew) are a really software artist (your 64 bit Phoenix is an incredible task), and I am sure that problems-solving about all these issues is nearly.  

[Neal ManBear]

No offence but it seems like, from the moment Tex had to quit because of his health problems, it's been going a bit downwards.

     
No offense? My worn out old butt! That is offensive.     

.....don't go around assuming that people are using a testing repo....

     
When it appears that someone is using something that is known to be in testing only, it isn't an assumption.     

I mean who takes a thing like libpoppler5 for example from the repo's that is needed by other programs? Just go on and rebuild the whole bunch of apps, letting people wait and sitting around with, maybe, a broken system? No... you fix it and put back the stuff other apps depend on.

     
Complain. Don't bother to help.
Seeing as you know so much about it, why haven't you at the least provided a list of apps that need to be rebuilt? No, of course not. Complaining is so much easier.     

[monsee]

Just for precision: never I write that PCLinuxOS is a broken system.
Really, I think that PCLinuxOS is the best "distro" I know.
And I love much the LXDE version (better, the mini) and the XFCE version (better, the Phoenix), but also the ZEN-mini version. That's is my personal taste only, of course, not a "contest winning-declaration".
I love all PCLinuxOS Community versions and I think that the official version (the KDE version) is very good too.
Never, in my 32 bit installations, I have used a test-Repo.
Obviusly, I am using test-Repo in my 64 bit installation (of course, because the ISOs are testing-ISOs too). That's is natural: all is "testing", now, in 64 bit versions. But the probems I had writing in this thread are only in the 32 bit versions, NOT in 64 bit versions.
PCLinuxOS is a very good "distro", in my opinion. These issues are temporary-issues and all problems will be solved soon: I'm sure of it. Really, I'm a PCLinuxOS Community works admirer, that's sure.  

[monsee]

Hi, Sproggy!
I write here because I had seen a precise thing that I would tell you.
I doubt that your ISO was wrong or have into it any error...
... This happens because I have 2 different PCLinuxOS 2012.2 Phoenix 32 bit installation.
One is older than the other by 3 or 4 weeks (the initial installation, is older; the ISO was the same, identical).
I would here call "first-Phoenix" the my installation that is older" and "second-Phoenix" my last installation (that's younger).
Same ISO and same Repository was used (in different times, the Headnet and the GARR Repository, for both installations).
Every-time I had used Synaptic (in graphical way).
On both installation I had similar issues... similar, but NOT identical... and with a different ending.
On first-Phoenix I had non a "absolutely fresh" installation, but an used (non a lot-used, but used) system, italian translated when the "texlive/tetex" problem happens.
When it came, I try to resolve using Synaptic (in graphical mode, of course) and -with time and difficult- I solved the issue.
I solving when the texlive package was installed, in that story.
Now, the first-Phoenix work good and Synaptic never claimed to me to uninstall XFCE desktop environment.

Two or three days later my above issue I see first time the "xfce desktop uninstall" request (it's happens on my Phinx installation [I that moment I have not installed yet the second-Phoenix] and I come here and start this thread to ask about my issues).
Later, I install the second-Phoenix (same PC, same ISO and same Repositories than first-Phoenix).
But the story, in second-Phoenix go very different than in first-Phoenix. First-Phoenix end well and good (I am writing from first-Phoenix, now)... only there is a little problem about the cursor theme, some difficult to mount external storage devices and the Pari package cannot be install (due lack of a mysterious -for me- "xdvi"). No other issues, here.
Different end for second-Phoenix: it claim me to uninstall the XFCE desktop every-time I click on "Mark all Updates" in Synaptic (that's don't happens at all in first-Phoenix).
What differences from first and second Phoenix for this very different behavior?
I can see only ONE difference: the time in which that's happens.
The ISO was the same. I am the same. Computer are the same. Hard Disk was different but very similar.
But, I assure you, the ending was very different: first-Phoenix work, in this moment, and second-Phoenix are blocked into a sort of update-quicksands...
For all this I think that's not your ISO is responsible but another problem: a problem -maybe- inherent the updates (in different times [different weeks, for example], some packages can be different...)...

I hope that my personal experience can help  you, someway, to solve -forever- these problems.
Thank you, thank you for all!  

[Nippur]

These issues may be causing people not to try or abandon pclos, which is not good.
Let's please all stay calm and make all our efforts in solving these problems and not making this distro go down the drain

[monsee]

I hope that people don't abandons PCLinuxOS, because PCLinuxOS is a great and wonderful "distro". I will NOT abandon PCLinuxOS at all.
I think the problem is NOT in PCLinuxOS, but on any update (some -very few- packages and NOT the "distro" at all).
Just now I attempt an other my experiment (with an other 32 bit my PCLinuxOS 2012 installation in italian language; Heanet Repository for update-packages).
And I releved that the "texlive-texmf" package -maybe- can give some problems...
Can you see if that package can have any role in ours issues, please? Thank you, people!
Now I am attempting to solve another time (on this my installation that is NOT a XFCE installation) using Synaptic...
Hope well...  

CORRECTION: I have installed, al last, the "texlive-texmf" package, so... it's NOT it the problem.
Excuse me for my previus suspect about that package: I'm wrong, obviusly. I'm sorry.
The problem root is in any other package, but I don't know what...
I have lost Kile ("texlive-latex" is needed, but not installable, tell me Synaptic). And the "texlive" package cannot be installed (because the "libpoppler.so.13" package is not installable [a temporary problem, I think]).

[Nippur]

Is this update issue affecting only xfce or also kde pclos?

[Neal ManBear]

Can the negative talk people. We are already working our butts off.     

[Nish]

Is this update issue affecting only xfce or also kde pclos?

I have one box affected - I don't know why it is just one box as far as I know all are updated equally  KDE.  Forget who was reporting, the watch (x loading) almost desktop then to the login. Neither user or root can login to desktop. Just back to the login again.

[Nippur]

Thank you Nish and good luck!