Updating KDE (on 2012-03-08) wants to remove packages (?why??)

[pags]

Had another look at jadetex .......  it does not inform me of a dependency error when I mark for installation  .......   but if I try to Apply I get an error that I have to fix broken packages first.

I was getting that, before (texlive was showing as broken, after attempting to APPLY).  Since the most recent updates (as of this week, I think...) that is no longer the case, but it isn't installable, either.

[AS]

a further hint: texlive package declare jadetex 'obsolete' therefore they cannot be installed at the same time ...
... guess that pdfjam should be rebuilt against texlive, and jadetex removed from completely from the repo ...

quoting myself, to let you think about the implications ... texlive is a huge package ... and defaulting to use texlive nearly surely means that our base system will use a larger amount of storage ...

the alternative could be to evaluate those packages that actually require texlive to verify if they can be build against the corresponding smaller packages ... jadetex, dblatex, ...

another alternative is to evaluate if the packages that actually require texlive could be built with some option that will exclude texlive from being pulled in as a dependency ... typically this is the case of gtk-doc ... often an optional feature ...

[pags]

Fair enough.

That's (kind of) why I haven't pursued this as a Package Request Update.  It's big, and needs to be assessed.  Even if the decision is made to continue, I understand it is still a large undertaking, and don't want to seem that I'm pressuring for the expedited development of this.

Just using this thread to keep the awareness of the current status quo up.

Thanks.

[kalwisti]

a further hint: texlive package declare jadetex 'obsolete' therefore they cannot be installed at the same time ...
... guess that pdfjam should be rebuilt against texlive, and jadetex removed from completely from the repo ...

I hesitated before posting this because I am not a packager, and I'm sure that my glaring ignorance will show ... (I hope this doesn't sound critical, as that is not my intention at all). But I did some searching and found two other hints that jadetex is obsolete:

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/pst/jadetex.html
(JadeTeX-3.13)

Important:
Do not install this package if you have already installed TeX Live-20110705. The TeX Live installation includes the JadeTeX components.

http://liste.pardus.org.tr/paketler-commits/2011-March/122388.html
(JadeTeX)

Log:
Jadetex is obsolote [sic], change it to texlive-htmlxml

That said, I do not have jadetex installed (IIRC) and am using texlive from the PCLOS repos. It has been working fine for me, even after the recent updates. I too noticed the mix of texlive 2007 and 2011 packages, and thought it slightly odd, but if it's working ... It also seemed a bit strange that the texlive 2011 package was so small. (I am used to texlive being composed of multiple, large files).

@AS,
I understand your concern about the size and complexity of texlive, but if it possible, I think it would be better to continue moving in that direction rather than with teTeX. teTeX was declared obsolete in March 2007, and although it may still provide a working TeX system for users, it is becoming increasingly outdated. Just my $0.02's as a non-packager ...

[AS]

a further hint: texlive package declare jadetex 'obsolete' therefore they cannot be installed at the same time ...
... guess that pdfjam should be rebuilt against texlive, and jadetex removed from completely from the repo ...

I hesitated before posting this because I am not a packager, and I'm sure that my glaring ignorance will show ... (I hope this doesn't sound critical, as that is not my intention at all). But I did some searching and found two other hints that jadetex is obsolete:

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/pst/jadetex.html
(JadeTeX-3.13)

Important:
Do not install this package if you have already installed TeX Live-20110705. The TeX Live installation includes the JadeTeX components.

http://liste.pardus.org.tr/paketler-commits/2011-March/122388.html
(JadeTeX)

Log:
Jadetex is obsolote [sic], change it to texlive-htmlxml

That said, I do not have jadetex installed (IIRC) and am using texlive from the PCLOS repos. It has been working fine for me, even after the recent updates. I too noticed the mix of texlive 2007 and 2011 packages, and thought it slightly odd, but if it's working ... It also seemed a bit strange that the texlive 2011 package was so small. (I am used to texlive being composed of multiple, large files).

Correct, in fact one possible solution is to rebuild pdfjam against textlive ... guess we have a bunch of packages built against jadetex, dblatex, tetex ...

@AS,
I understand your concern about the size and complexity of texlive, but if it possible, I think it would be better to continue moving in that direction rather than with teTeX. teTeX was declared obsolete in March 2007, and although it may still provide a working TeX system for users, it is becoming increasingly outdated. Just my $0.02's as a non-packager ...

I'm not particularly concerned, I'm perfectly fine with a DVD release instead of a CD release ... only that there are some implications that need to be considered ...

There could be also another possible path ... defining the two packages as alternatives and not one that obsolete the other ... still I'm not so expert in this area to say if it is possible or not ...