PCLINUXOS to yum?

[demilord]

Sorry I didnt mend to start it like this, from the user perspective, my side of view..
apt is working great.. but in my opinion.. or it's me yum has some great features like rollback pacages if something went wrong.. yum history something is something that we can really use in a rolling distro like this.. I do love synaptic and the way you can search and handle the packages... But there are some neat features in yum that apt doesn't have... 

I think the best we can say..
Never say never..  Its not the end of the world.. 
All I want to say that I cant wait for KDE4.8 guys!

[Old-Polack]

Sorry I didnt mend to start it like this, from the user perspective, my side of view..
apt is working great.. but in my opinion.. or it's me yum has some great features like rollback pacages if something went wrong.. yum history something is something that we can really use in a rolling distro like this.. I do love synaptic and the way you can search and handle the packages... But there are some neat features in yum that apt doesn't have... 

I think the best we can say..
Never say never..  Its not the end of the world.. 
All I want to say that I cant wait for KDE4.8 guys!

Rolling back to a previous version only works if there is a previous version in the repo to roll back to. Being as we are a rolling distribution, that would not be the case, as older versions are removed when new versions are added. This would not change just because yum, or any other package manager, was chosen to replace Synaptic.

Synaptic has it's own history, but whether or not one keeps it, or for how long, is left up to each individual.

What works for a static distro does not necessarily work with a dynamically changing distro, and usually does not. Just because a feature is offered by a static distro, does not mean it has any relevance here.

[Archie]

When I said "apt-rpm is so old" I was referring to the fact that is not updated since 2008. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the package manager is or is not one of the most important pieces of a distro? So, if possible, should not we fix this? It is true that it is not as urgent as other things. If yum doesn't match with what we want we can look for another one. Maybe zypper, or urpmi.

package managers are indeed one of the most important piece of software on a distro, and we won't just simply change to yum because it has "benefits" that are NOT quite proven on PCLinuxOS whereas Synaptic has been tried and tested thoroughly ... and it works.

There's no hocus-pocus, and yum would just work. Like Neal said, if anyone likes to try, you are most welcome to do so. But right now, the devs have other priorities and todos. Yum is not on one of them.

I am not discounting or rejecting any moves to yum, it is just that IT WILL TAKE A LOT OF WORK ... more work than the devs we have right now. It will happen if it happens.

It would be nice to have choices ... and choices that works but as it is, we only have Synaptic. I can live with it ... I hope you could too.

[bones113]

My Daddy once said " If it aint broke dont fix it". Synaptic is working just fine plus there are more important things to do. Yum would be great but it aint a show stopper.

[ruel24]

Why hurry?  Synaptic is tried and proven and it is serving well.

Because Synaptic is a dead project that was picked up by Ubuntu, stripped of all RPM based stuff, and and upgraded. In other words, for RPM, it's still a dead project.

Apt for RPM based distros is also dead.

Do we see a pattern here? Yes, even though it's dead, it's still good. Still, one would like to progress beyond. For RPM distros, there is no shortage of package managers, but YUM is probably under the heaviest development, given it's a Fedora project and they do like to develop good things for Linux. I welcome the change. I'm sure it's miles better than the last time I used it.

[Texstar]

Synaptic and apt-get for rpm is being maintained by a Fedora developer for rpm based distributions last time I checked. I ported the packages to PCLinuxOS when we upgraded to rpm 4.8.x

[johnmart]

Good enough for me. 
Great going a usual, Tex. Thanks! 

[wayne1932]

Our leader has  spoken.      Our watch word around here, It's ready when it's ready.

[Archie]

What's the hippie up to these days?   

[menotu]

From Linuxaria - 8-Mar-2012

Synaptic Package Management – Linux’s Secret Weapon

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It seems very clear Microsoft is trying to catch up to Apple with the concept of the App Store. Now wait a minute, could not one also say that Apple is trying to play catch-up to Amazon.com? Even during the Great Recession, Amazon.com revenue and sales grew while many of the big box retailers stumbled and mom-and-pop stores dried up and blew away in the pessimistic mood.

All the indicators would suggest an App Store is where it is it.

Wait a minute. Have not I seen this somewhere before? Err…. yes I have! It is called:

Synaptic Package Management

And it comes free in basically every Linux installation that is Debian based that I know.

It is taking me a while, and I have finally figured out what is wrong with this picture. Something such as a Debian Linux with Synaptic Package Management is such a simple idea, it is beyond the mind capability for an OS X or Windows user to comprehend.

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Full article

[agmg]

In the same way, an OSx, Windows user, or even Amazon.com customer cannot wrap their brains around simply describing what they want in a search bar, clicking and saying “give it to me”, without any credit card data or even their e-mail address.

The world is simply too unreal to their way of thinking.

Nice observation there.

It's not the first time these OSes implement technologies or innovations from the GNU/Linux world and present them as new or (even worse) as their own. Windows with a Software Center? Now Windows users will be able to bork their systems through a pretty and convenient interface with a click of a button . I can only imagine the crap they will fill it with and how "free" the software it offers will be. Synaptic is beyond compare with such concepts as it is an important part of the Linux system and filled with useful and necessary stuff.

[ruel24]

From Linuxaria - 8-Mar-2012

Synaptic Package Management – Linux’s Secret Weapon

.................

It seems very clear Microsoft is trying to catch up to Apple with the concept of the App Store. Now wait a minute, could not one also say that Apple is trying to play catch-up to Amazon.com? Even during the Great Recession, Amazon.com revenue and sales grew while many of the big box retailers stumbled and mom-and-pop stores dried up and blew away in the pessimistic mood.

All the indicators would suggest an App Store is where it is it.

Wait a minute. Have not I seen this somewhere before? Err…. yes I have! It is called:

Synaptic Package Management

And it comes free in basically every Linux installation that is Debian based that I know.

It is taking me a while, and I have finally figured out what is wrong with this picture. Something such as a Debian Linux with Synaptic Package Management is such a simple idea, it is beyond the mind capability for an OS X or Windows user to comprehend.

To give credit where it's due: Synaptic is the product of Connectiva Linux, which was bought out by Mandrake Linux to become Mandriva Linux. Synaptic is NOT the brainchild of Debian Linux. Connecitiva was an RPM based distro that used Apt and Synaptic for package management. Apt, however, IS the brainchild of Debian Linux.

[menotu]

Aaah! Thanks  ruel24  - I must of misread it as I didn't see where it mentioned Debian being the creator of Synaptic.

[daves]

Surfing the net I find this: http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/zif/
Zif is a package manager for Fedora written in C that's designed to replace yum.
Now its creator wants to give new life: http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2012/03/16/zif-wants-new-blood/
What do you think?

[kc1di]

Synaptic and apt-get for rpm is being maintained by a Fedora developer for rpm based distributions last time I checked. I ported the packages to PCLinuxOS when we upgraded to rpm 4.8.x

Great to see you here Texstar hope you doing well.