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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2011, 01:33:09 AM »

Wow, melodie, this is amazing! At 248MBs for the iso, you've gotten it down to the bare minimum to have a working desktop. And only one console-kit-daemon running. As Galen has discovered, ZRAM is already enabled. cat /proc/swaps shows the /dev/zram0 size as 127996 (25% of my 512MB of RAM). Very, very nice.

I'm testing it in VBox.

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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2011, 07:14:14 AM »

Wow, melodie, this is amazing! At 248MBs for the iso, you've gotten it down to the bare minimum to have a working desktop. And only one console-kit-daemon running. As Galen has discovered, ZRAM is already enabled. cat /proc/swaps shows the /dev/zram0 size as 127996 (25% of my 512MB of RAM). Very, very nice.

I'm testing it in VBox.




Hi djohnston,

There are more console-kit-daemon child processes running, but I have hidden them long ago. To see them, you can visit the htop preferences menu and look there for the relevant menu. I guess it could be less big yet, if I remove pcmanfm along with gnome-icon-theme. But, I posted about the next new pcmanfm version (which will be avalaible upstream) and about the fact that gnome-icon-theme has never been a depend to pcmanfm, originally.

If I removed pcmanfm I could not provide icons on the desktop anymore (idesk is too old). I hope that next pcmanfm package could be bundled without the depend to gnome-icon-theme ? Here is the post:
PCMan announces new pcmanfm version - http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,92920.msg779687.html#msg779687

Feel free to add a comment there. Smiley

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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2011, 07:26:53 AM »

Melodie, thank you for your work on the Openbox distro.

I have very little experience with linux so I have hesitated to post here.  But I want to learn more about openbox and I have been playing with some of your work for a couple of weeks.  Maybe my comments will be helpful.

Thanks for testing it and bringing feedback. It might be helpful indeed. Never know. So don't worry, I'm a newbie too. Smiley

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With the LiveCD I noticed something that must be related to the menu.cache as you explained for LJK.  When I first right-click the desktop to open the menu, under Applications>Editors> it shows Geany.  But then if I colse the menu and open again, it shows SciTE.  And SciTE works as it should.  (Some remnant from the full version I think?)

As Jeff said, I neglected the /etc/skel/.cache/menus/* : I need to replace the files which are there with the current files from /home/guest/.cache/menus directory.

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When I go to PCC to set up the firewall, the script tells me that I must download the package mandi-ifw and the package shorewall.  This is no problem of course, but would it be better if these packages were already in the iso?  (I think this is the same also in your full version RC.)

No sir, but you can suggest to add it for the full version. To be sure I don't forget, it would be nice you post this at the openbox full test version thread. I don't promise you I will : it all depends how much depends it would bring in : can you provide me this information ?

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Of course those are very minor things, but maybe this is more important.  Could there be a problem in the shutdown script?  When I choose shutdown from the menu my machine reboots instead of shutting down completely.  This happens on two different computers with this 6.19 Bonsai Test iso run from the livecd.  (It also happens with your 2011.6.13 full version RC that I installed on a hard drive.  But it does not happen with the official 2010.11 Bonsai.)  Has anyone else experienced this?

Yes, I have experienced this. With the PCLinuxOS Education install (the one which will be used to make the final version). I was wondering... if now others also experience the same, it's interesting, we will be several to seek for the cause.
The Edu is built on a Bonsai.

I don't believe it comes from the shutdown script, but rather from a process missing, maybe due to some package I would have removed. I'll look in the Synaptic logs of Bonsai to see if I can find some packages to reinstall.

Bonsai is a version to make your own on top of it. So, I leave all the logs in it, to ensure the people who will make their own to have a better control over it.

For the shutdown problem, please try this : add on the boot kernel line "acpi=force". (In the file /boot/grub/menu.lst).

ie, my boot stanza in the machine I post from:
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kernel (hd0,5)/boot/vmlinuz BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=/dev/sda6 quiet acpi_apic_instance=2 acpi=force splash=silent vga=864
initrd (hd0,5)/boot/initrd.img

the acpi=force option can be added at the end of the line, or any place close to the end of the line... in fact I'm not sure about the exact rule for this, but doing this way does work.

Your issue (and mine) is different from the one at the thread you pointed to. Ferdes Fides could not use the right-click menu to reboot or shutdown, so the cause is completely different.

In my machine, with PCLinuxOS Education, that happens 20 seconds after the end of the shutdown was completed. Anyone else has his machine that reboots after shutdown ?

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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2011, 07:34:00 AM »

I've installed to a liveusb. I added Midori and it did not show up in the menu, but I right clicked on the desktop, selected 'Openbox -> Reload Openbox', checked the menu and Midori was there.

Hi Galen,
It's not supposed to work this way, but I will sure try next time I install or uninstall a package ! Cheesy

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Correction: I mis-read the output of the 'free' command. I found that zram was activated using the 'swapon -s' command. Sorry, for the error.

You may want to try "cat /proc/swaps". Smiley

Thanks,
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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2011, 08:20:03 AM »

In my machine, with PCLinuxOS Education, that happens 20 seconds after the end of the shutdown was completed. Anyone else has his machine that reboots after shutdown ?
Bingo!  I had actually timed it and it was twenty seconds - hadn't mentioned it yet but saw MrBill's observation and melodie's comment.  This is on my new remaster of Blackcat on the latest Bonsai.  Didn't happen on the previous Bonsai base but that's OK.  I've had power supplies bork out like that before so I was not so quick to squawk until some other evidence had presented itself.  I haven't tried melodie's work-around yet - just good to know it's not my computer!!  BTW, I have a 2.7ghz P4 with 512mb of RAM and a 6gb HD.  Hey, it's just for remastering, OK Cheesy.  

EDIT - tried adding acpi=force to menu.lst.  No change after a couple of reboots.
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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2011, 08:57:34 AM »

Hi Taco,

So I have to find what package I should not have removed.
Thanks for your feedback.

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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2011, 01:43:49 PM »

Hi,

Not so good news, the history had disappeared from Synaptic. I will redo it starting from the last version that was working allright, I think I have understood it is the one as of 2010-11.

I'll install both one next each other on a hard drive in order to have the new configurations at hand whenever needed, each one will have a different label on the partition, which label will also be their title in grub menu.lst. I'll come back in a few days... Same for Education, I might have to redo it too. Unless other people find the same problem on other versions ? (Could it be a kernel problem ?)

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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2011, 04:05:33 PM »

Hi Mélodie

I'm still testing in VirtualBox and had a problem similar to LKJ.  It took over 1/2 hour for applications that I installed to show up in the menu.  Selecting "Reload Openbox" from the menu appeared to make no difference.

By the way, it's great to see all the Testers that have been posting their comments here!

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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2011, 04:16:24 PM »

Selecting "Reload Openbox" from the menu appeared to make no difference.

Hi Jeff,
This is normal : openbox has it's ways, and openbox-menu relies on menu-cache (lxde lib). I think that when Galen made use of it, and it looked to him it worked, it was about the same as going to walk the dog : a matter of time. Smiley

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+1 !

Was your issue in the live or in installed version ? (Vbox install I mean).

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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2011, 04:21:49 PM »

Selecting "Reload Openbox" from the menu appeared to make no difference.

Hi Jeff,
This is normal : openbox has it's ways, and openbox-menu relies on menu-cache (lxde lib). I think that when Galen made use of it, and it looked to him it worked, it was about the same as going to walk the dog : a matter of time. Smiley

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Well, at least it happened right away for me, not 1/2 hour later! Grin

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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2011, 04:25:50 PM »


Was your issue in the live or in installed version ? (Vbox install I mean).

It was in my Vbox installed version.

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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2011, 04:27:50 PM »

Well, at least it happened right away for me, not 1/2 hour later! Grin

Galen

Hi Galen,

Does this fall under the better late than never theory? Grin

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« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2011, 04:38:19 PM »

Well, at least it happened right away for me, not 1/2 hour later! Grin

Galen

Hi Galen,

Does this fall under the better late than never theory? Grin

Jeff

I always want to tweak everything until it is as fast as possible. So, I think we need to keep looking! Wink

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« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2011, 04:39:53 PM »

I always want to tweak everything until it is as fast as possible. So, I think we need to keep looking! Wink

Galen


That's true too. Cheesy

Mélodie


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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2011, 05:07:30 PM »


I always want to tweak everything until it is as fast as possible. So, I think we need to keep looking! Wink

Galen


I agree.
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