Update the forum image/name

[AndrzejL]

How about we leave things alone. That is how I feel about it. People always want to mess up a good thing. Newer isn't always better. The easiest way to run off your userbase is to start constantly changing your website software.

+1 for leaving it as is. Call me conservative (been called worse) and I believe that if something works just fine then there is no point of messing it up.

Regards.

[Bald Brick]

I think that you're all missing glamdring's point. He's actually calling for greater consistency in the use of logos and logotypes.

These are logotypes:

You can't change the fonts or even remove the stripes from the letters "IBM" without rendering the wordmarks less recognizable. If you use colour, you can't change the colours either.

Now, PCLinuxOS does not have a clearly defined logotype, even if the "nu" ligature often used in "Linux" makes some renderings of "PCLinuxOS" an embryonic one. But, as anybody in advertising will tell you, it is meaningless unless it is used consistently.

The problem is that if you decide that there should be a PCLinuxOS wordmark that requires certain fonts, colours and the "nu" ligature, you are stuck with a logotype that might not scale well because you'd have to use images instead of normal text in web pages. And in most cases the "PCLinuxOS-Forums" in the upper left corner of the forum pages looks good enough even if it's just normal text. An image of a fixed size might not always look as good.

But a relevant question remains: does PCLinuxOS need a logotype? If it does you have to use that logotype consistently. If it doesn't, forget about the "nu" ligature.

(A discussion about the graphical logos of PCLinuxOS would be much more confusing.)

[glamdring]

i would just leave as is ... the forum is pretty enough without medling with it .... a Dev would have to be Nuts to keep changing things as upset the users base every few weeks ... leaving as it is shows cohesiveness in continuity ...

I thought I was clear on this several time, but maybe I left some confusion. This would NOT change the default theme, this would NOT have any effect on ANYONE unless they specifically logged into their cp and changed their board theme. If you are unfamiliar with SMF themes and don't understand what I mean go to your cp and look at the board themes to get a better understanding.

Bald Brick brings up a very very interesting thought which I have thought about a lot with PCLinuxOS. Obviously it's not my responsibility, but nonetheless I do think branding would be good. That is just my personal stance on it, but again this specific thread is to discuss whether or not Texstar would be open to adding another forum theme made by the community. I don't see why people are afraid of this, there are already several other version available in the user cp.

It's like the themes we have available in the repos, they don't harm any one but allow users to choose a new look if desired by going in and changing by choice.

[AndrzejL]

i would just leave as is ... the forum is pretty enough without medling with it .... a Dev would have to be Nuts to keep changing things as upset the users base every few weeks ... leaving as it is shows cohesiveness in continuity ...

I thought I was clear on this several time, but maybe I left some confusion. This would NOT change the default theme, this would NOT have any effect on ANYONE unless they specifically logged into their cp and changed their board theme. If you are unfamiliar with SMF themes and don't understand what I mean go to your cp and look at the board themes to get a better understanding.

Bald Brick brings up a very very interesting thought which I have thought about a lot with PCLinuxOS. Obviously it's not my responsibility, but nonetheless I do think branding would be good. That is just my personal stance on it, but again this specific thread is to discuss whether or not Texstar would be open to adding another forum theme made by the community. I don't see why people are afraid of this, there are already several other version available in the user cp.

It's like the themes we have available in the repos, they don't harm any one but allow users to choose a new look if desired by going in and changing by choice.

Enjoy the lecture.

Regards.

[Archie]

I am with the n and u  welded as one as we have been using it for the past couple of years in the official releases and in many of the artwork.

The images had always been available both in SVG and PNG formats. Just need to look for them. I have them in my archive and I could share them but out of respect for the original authors, I believe it is only proper that they themselves make them available.

It is confusing, isn't it. On one hand with got the emblems, the blue ring with PC, Dobie, the spinwheel ... and all the while many are using what they feel just looks good. I hope there'll be a time and place that this gets addressed.

[glamdring]

i would just leave as is ... the forum is pretty enough without medling with it .... a Dev would have to be Nuts to keep changing things as upset the users base every few weeks ... leaving as it is shows cohesiveness in continuity ...

I thought I was clear on this several time, but maybe I left some confusion. This would NOT change the default theme, this would NOT have any effect on ANYONE unless they specifically logged into their cp and changed their board theme. If you are unfamiliar with SMF themes and don't understand what I mean go to your cp and look at the board themes to get a better understanding.

Bald Brick brings up a very very interesting thought which I have thought about a lot with PCLinuxOS. Obviously it's not my responsibility, but nonetheless I do think branding would be good. That is just my personal stance on it, but again this specific thread is to discuss whether or not Texstar would be open to adding another forum theme made by the community. I don't see why people are afraid of this, there are already several other version available in the user cp.

It's like the themes we have available in the repos, they don't harm any one but allow users to choose a new look if desired by going in and changing by choice.

Enjoy the lecture.

Regards.

Sorry if you found that aggressive, the bold unlined was not intended to be interpreted as yelling. I was simply trying to get my point across as I posted the same thing 3 times now and people continue to say they don't want things change. This is the problem with text based communication, you can read anything you want in an aggressive manor. Other than the bold font I don't see how one could assume it was aggressive, if you still think it is, now knowing I was not yelling but highlighting specific details that have been reposted several times, please let me know and I will promptly fix it.

[Bald Brick]

I am with the n and u  welded as one as we have been using it for the past couple of years in the official releases and in many of the artwork.

The images had always been available both in SVG and PNG formats. Just need to look for them. I have them in my archive and I could share them but out of respect for the original authors, I believe it is only proper that they themselves make them available.

I have also downloaded lots of versions of the conjoined n and u, but, as you indicated, they are images, not integral parts of any fonts. So to use them one would have to add them to an image of the word "PCLinuxOS".

Consequently they are not usable at the upper left corner of the forum pages unless the normal text "PCLinuxOS-Forums" is also replaced by an image of a logotype expressing the same thing. And that may or may not be worthwhile: for those who find branding important it would be a good thing, but it would also mean more work for somebody, and opening the pages in different sizes could be problematic.

It is confusing, isn't it. On one hand with got the emblems, the blue ring with PC, Dobie, the spinwheel ... and all the while many are using what they feel just looks good. I hope there'll be a time and place that this gets addressed.

[Neal ManBear]

Let me intervene here. The PCLinuxOS logo, including the name, the name with conjoined nu, the circle, Dobie the bull and the pulse-logo all belong to Texstar. Members of this community created those. Other members have used them in creating other graphics works. This has never been a problem, so far as I am aware. If you are creative and want to use the official logo(s) on your wallpaper, login theme or other graphics and submit it/them to the community (or use it yourself), you can do so.     

glamdring's request is that we add a theme to the forum that he intends to create.     

How about we leave things alone.

     
Enough said. Even if you don't like the answer, it is still the answer. Further arguments are not likely to change it.     

[glamdring]

 

How about we leave things alone.

     
Enough said. Even if you don't like the answer, it is still the answer. Further arguments are not likely to change it.     

Sorry about being so admit about this, perhaps I should have built a proof of concept before even making this request. If I do repost here asking for this again, I will be sure to have everything ready to show in a semi complete dummy forum. I'm aware if I do this I could and some would say am wasting my time, but I believe if I show everyone exactly what I want to do it will gain more acceptance.

I think I was digging so much for a reason as to why some would say no when it has no effect on them that I lost track of what this thread was really about.

[Neal ManBear]

So you think that if you just keep at it, "How about we leave things alone" will change to "How have we managed to carry on without making this change?"      

[glamdring]

No,if you call submitting a new forum template to be added as an alternative keeping at it then sure. I'm not looking for anyone to say we need it, simply adding another alternative to those who want it. Again, no one has provide a reason why another alternative shouldn't be added. I have made a pretty clear case as to why  adding an alternative would be nice and have reinforced that with stating it will not change anything for others unless they choose to use it.

Unless someone has some new/constructive thoughts I think this thread has become useless. I will work on a theme and show it when I'm done, if you think I'm waiting my time thats okay its my time.