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« on: November 16, 2010, 07:44:06 AM »

Recently bought a HP Mini 110 with 250GB HDD. It came with Windows 7 Starter edition and the following partitioning schema:
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*:SYSTEM NTFS 199.00 MB System Primary
C: NTFS 102.42 GB Boot Primary
* Unallocated 117.19 GB None Logical
D:RECOVERY NTFS 12.98  GB None Primary
E:HP_TOOLS FAT32 103.18 MB None Primary
[I apologise for not being able to provide the 'fdisk -l' output. This is the report taken from EASEUS Partition Manager on Windows. Using Bluetooth DialUp internet from Windows now which does not appear to be supported in KBluetooth with Nokia 6220 Classic mobile. Will post the said result later when I get access to wireline internet.]

The HDD came with 4 primary partitions. 2nd was the biggest at about 220 GB and containing Windows install. I have managed to shrink that partition using Windows in-built disk management utility. So now I have about 117 GB of unallocated free space somewhere in the middle of the drive.

Problem is this. I am unable to create a partition for PCLinuxOS because 4 primary partitions already exist.
I do not want to lose my ability to restore the HDD to factory condition as far as possible. I have talked to HP customer care and they said the last partition called HP TOOLS 'may be' deleted at the risk of losing recovery possibility.
If I do that I will be able to create a logical partition in the middle free space and further subdivide it as needed. Once I do that will I be able to restore the HP TOOLS partition? (I have taken a sector by sector backup of that partition)

EASEUS Partition Manager allows me to convert the HP TOOLS partition from Primary to Logical without deleting it. Can I do this then
- Convert HP TOOLS partition into Logical. This will let me add another logical partition in the free space which I can subdivide and use for PCLinuxOS. Net result I will have 3 Primary partitions and 2 logical partitions?Huh?

Any other alternative suggestions?
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 10:41:15 AM »

Output of some commands - taken from LiveUSB created using Unetbootin from 2010.10 KDE .iso

df -h
Code:
Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/root             483M   81M  403M  17% /
/dev/sda1             199M   29M  171M  15% /media/SYSTEM
/dev/sda2             103G   23G   80G  22% /media/disk
/dev/sda4             100M  6.3M   93M   7% /media/HP_TOOLS
/dev/sda3              13G   12G  1.9G  86% /media/RECOVERY

fdisk -l
Code:
Disk /dev/sda: 250.1 GB, 250059350016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x9d101000

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1          26      203776    7  HPFS/NTFS
Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sda2              26       13396   107393024    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda3           28694       30389    13614080    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda4           30389       30402      105656    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)

blkid
Code:
/dev/sda1: UUID="7C5C0CC45C0C7AE2" LABEL="SYSTEM" TYPE="ntfs"
/dev/loop0: TYPE="squashfs"
/dev/sda2: UUID="1A88F47D88F45929" TYPE="ntfs"
/dev/sda3: UUID="E0C49659C49631B0" LABEL="RECOVERY" TYPE="ntfs"
/dev/sda4: LABEL="HP_TOOLS" UUID="00ED-E839" TYPE="vfat"

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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2010, 02:01:17 PM »

My understanding is that you can have only 4 primary partitions on your HD.  I ran into this problem also.  I made the back up DVD's removed recovery and the Fat32 partition and all work well.  The computer was an HP G62 340US.

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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2010, 02:07:45 PM »

My understanding is that you can have only 4 primary partitions on your HD.  I ran into this problem also.  I made the back up DVD's removed recovery and the Fat32 partition and all work well.  The computer was an HP G62 340US.

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Yep, just ran into the same thing on a friend's new (very nice) HP laptop; I think at least one of those could just as easily be an extended, not primary, partition.  Tongue

I still prefer CDs for recovery, but I'm sure some bean-counter decided it was cheaper to chop up the HD.
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2010, 06:22:09 PM »

Being a netbook there is no optical drive in it. I guess I will just take a backup of the partition using some imaging software and kill it.

Is it ok to have 2 logical partitions sitting independently?
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 10:30:05 PM »

From your description and fdisk -l data, you have a free space in between /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda3.
unfortunatedly this arrangement is not going to work for adding Linux OS, as you already found out.

What you can do is to use gparted or other partition program to 'shift' the partitions so that /dev/sd3 will become adjacent to /dev/sda2.  

Then to overcome the limit of 4 primary partitions you must delete the /dev/sda4.

On HP_TOOL partition, I do not know what are these, but from the wording HP_TOOL, it might just be some softwares since it is just 103Mbytes, and this is the one that was 'designed' Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy to prevent you to have ease of Linux installation.
If I were in the position, I would copy these files outside the computer for back up and at the same time just copy into the C: drive.

Then use gparted to delete this /dev/sda4. Once you do that you should see a large unallocated space on the right. This is when you become 'free from that 4 limit'. Grin
 
Now you instruct gparted to change ALL the unallocated space to a Extended partition, it will assign /dev/sda4 to it, note the difference is this is Extended partition (not Primary) and it will take any number of logical partitions ( as many as you can put in these space, of course there is a limit but that is about 3 digits for new kernel and some old kernel has 16).
Next is just add new logical partition such as
1. a Linux Swap of something like 2x your RAM size
2. another bigger partition says 10G for one Linux OS, or 20G for more space
3. add more if you need multi boot.
and enjoy Linux installation.

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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2010, 12:21:58 PM »

Oh! I have done the following finally. Used Easeus Partition Manager on Windows 7 Starter to do the partition works including moving partitions.

fdisk -l
Code:
Disk /dev/sda: 250.1 GB, 250059350016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x9d101000
 
   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1          26      203776    7  HPFS/NTFS
Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sda2              26       13396   107393024    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda3           13397       15091    13615087+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda4           15092       30401   122977575    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/sda5           15092       15105      105735+   b  W95 FAT32
/dev/sda6           15106       21478    51191091    b  W95 FAT32
/dev/sda7           21479       24027    20474811   83  Linux
/dev/sda8           24028       26576    20474811   83  Linux
/dev/sda9           26577       27850    10233373+   1  FAT12
/dev/sda10          27851       29124    10233373+   1  FAT12
/dev/sda11          29125       30016     7164958+   1  FAT12
/dev/sda12          30017       30401     3092481   82  Linux swap / Solaris

blkid
Code:
/dev/sda1: UUID="7C5C0CC45C0C7AE2" LABEL="SYSTEM" TYPE="ntfs"
/dev/sda5: LABEL="HP_TOOLS" UUID="00ED-E839" TYPE="vfat"
/dev/sda6: LABEL="GENDATA" UUID="07EB-301D" TYPE="vfat"
/dev/sda7: LABEL="HOME" UUID="5af54e93-0436-4d7d-aed8-3877e82de44b" TYPE="ext3"
/dev/sda8: LABEL="PCLINUXOS" UUID="85c58ceb-7e50-4fa9-9990-3abb9fa2b16e" TYPE="ext4"
/dev/sda12: UUID="02562032-eba4-444f-bde7-4674cdc9d3ed" TYPE="swap"
/dev/sda2: UUID="1A88F47D88F45929" TYPE="ntfs"
/dev/sda3: UUID="E0C49659C49631B0" LABEL="RECOVERY" TYPE="ntfs"

df -h
Code:
Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda8              20G  2.5G   16G  14% /
/dev/sda7              20G  331M   18G   2% /home
/dev/sda6              49G  1.5M   49G   1% /media/GENDATA
/dev/sda2             103G   36G   68G  35% /media/disk
/dev/sda5             102M  6.3M   96M   7% /media/HP_TOOLS
/dev/sda3              13G   12G  1.9G  86% /media/RECOVERY
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