Why Konqueror Superuser FM?

[Just18]

I have wondered why we have, by default, on KDE ISOs, the following filemanagers

Dolphin,
Konqueror
Konqueror - Superuser Mode

and no Dolphin-Superuser mode?

As I understand the situation Dolphin is the default file manager in KDE4.

So would it not be reasonable to see an entry for Dolphin-Superuser mode rather than the Konqueror entry?

No, I am not objecting to the Konqueror entries    Personally I would prefer to see four entries ...

I would only like to know why we do not have a default entry for Dolphin-Superuser mode, when Dolphin is the default file manager for KDE4.

Is there a reason?

Thanks.

[djohnston]

Only thing I can figure out is the Konqueror SU desktop file has this line:

X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true

Is there an equivalent setting for Dolphin?

[Just18]

Only thing I can figure out is the Konqueror SU desktop file has this line:

X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true

Is there an equivalent setting for Dolphin?

I don't know what that line does, so could not even guess    [OK, googled and found this]

All YaST .destop files in /usr/share/applications/YaST2 use the
"X-KDE-SubstituteUID" to make them running as root.

Code:

kdesu dolphin %i -caption "%c" %u

opens in the same location as the Konqueror-Superuser Mode link. (/root)

Other than that I cannot comment.

[Bald Brick]

Only thing I can figure out is the Konqueror SU desktop file has this line:

X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true

Is there an equivalent setting for Dolphin?

I don't know what that line does, so could not even guess    [OK, googled and found this]

All YaST .destop files in /usr/share/applications/YaST2 use the
"X-KDE-SubstituteUID" to make them running as root.

Code:

kdesu dolphin %i -caption "%c" %u

opens in the same location as the Konqueror-Superuser Mode link. (/root)

Other than that I cannot comment.

If you add a new menu entry with the menu editor and tick "Run as a different user" on the Advanced tab without specifying a user name,  "X-KDE-SubstituteUID" will be added to the .desktop file created in ~/.local/share/applications, and clicking the menu entry will try to start the application as root -- after asking for root's password.

Adding the line to a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/kde4 will have the same effect, but globally of course.

I don't use Dolphin but I did create a super user menu entry for Dolphin years ago....
 

[Just18]

BB I do use Dolphin and the command I gave above, which is the standard Dolphin command with kdesu pre-pended works as expected.
No need to 'run as different user' .....

[Neal ManBear]

If you want to have a dolphin-superuser menu entry, you can create a .desktop file for it in /usr/share/applications. Up to you.      

[djohnston]

If you add a new menu entry with the menu editor and tick "Run as a different user" on the Advanced tab without specifying a user name,  "X-KDE-SubstituteUID" will be added to the .desktop file created in ~/.local/share/applications, and clicking the menu entry will try to start the application as root -- after asking for root's password.

Adding the line to a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/kde4 will have the same effect, but globally of course.

I don't use Dolphin but I did create a super user menu entry for Dolphin years ago....
 

That's a good tip, Bald Brick. Thanks.

[Bald Brick]

BB I do use Dolphin and the command I gave above, which is the standard Dolphin command with kdesu pre-pended works as expected.
No need to 'run as different user' .....

Yes, of course, but if you tick "Run as a different user" you won't need kdesu.  It's another way of achieving the same thing, not necessarily a better one.

[Just18]

If you want to have a dolphin-superuser menu entry, you can create a .desktop file for it in /usr/share/applications. Up to you.      

I am well aware of that, and from my posts you can see I already do it.

That does not answer the question posed .....

I would only like to know why we do not have a default entry for Dolphin-Superuser mode, when Dolphin is the default file manager for KDE4.

Is there a reason?

[Neal ManBear]

I do not know of such a reason.     

[Just18]

I do not know of such a reason.     

Thank you 

If there is no reason not to have such an entry, then IMO it is something that should be considered for inclusion.

[Bald Brick]

I do not know of such a reason.    

Thank you  

If there is no reason not to have such an entry, then IMO it is something that should be considered for inclusion.

This is just guesswork, but ...

When Dolphin was first made the default browser in KDE4 there were quite a number of posters on the KDE mailing lists who pointed out that Dolphin was actually an emasculated version of Konqueror with a few purely cosmetic improvements. The stock answer was that Konqueror was still there for advanced users. And I suppose that anybody who needs to run a file manager with administrative rights is at least semi-advanced...?

Also note that to open a super user instance of Dolphin from within any running Dolphin you need a total of two mouse clicks plus root's password.

[Just18]

I do not know of such a reason.    

Thank you  

If there is no reason not to have such an entry, then IMO it is something that should be considered for inclusion.

This is just guesswork, but ...

When Dolphin was first made the default browser in KDE4 there were quite a number of posters on the KDE mailing lists who pointed out that Dolphin was actually an emasculated version of Konqueror with a few purely cosmetic improvements. The stock answer was that Konqueror was still there for advanced users. And I suppose that anybody who needs to run a file manager with administrative rights is at least semi-advanced...?

Also note that to open a super user instance of Dolphin from within any running Dolphin you need a total of two mouse clicks plus root's password.

Yes I remember there were difficulties in the early KDE4 releases with Dolphin.

What two mouse clicks are you referring to above? .....  just wondering 

[Bald Brick]

I do not know of such a reason.    

Thank you  

If there is no reason not to have such an entry, then IMO it is something that should be considered for inclusion.

This is just guesswork, but ...

When Dolphin was first made the default browser in KDE4 there were quite a number of posters on the KDE mailing lists who pointed out that Dolphin was actually an emasculated version of Konqueror with a few purely cosmetic improvements. The stock answer was that Konqueror was still there for advanced users. And I suppose that anybody who needs to run a file manager with administrative rights is at least semi-advanced...?

Also note that to open a super user instance of Dolphin from within any running Dolphin you need a total of two mouse clicks plus root's password.

Yes I remember there were difficulties in the early KDE4 releases with Dolphin.

What two mouse clicks are you referring to above? .....  just wondering 

Right-click the folder you want to open as root (or the window background if if you want to retain your current directory).
Click Root menu -> Open as root. (Here you only need one single click as the submenu with "Open as root" opens when you drag the cursor to "Root menu".)
Give root's password and hit Enter.

[Just18]

I do not know of such a reason.    

Thank you  

If there is no reason not to have such an entry, then IMO it is something that should be considered for inclusion.

This is just guesswork, but ...

When Dolphin was first made the default browser in KDE4 there were quite a number of posters on the KDE mailing lists who pointed out that Dolphin was actually an emasculated version of Konqueror with a few purely cosmetic improvements. The stock answer was that Konqueror was still there for advanced users. And I suppose that anybody who needs to run a file manager with administrative rights is at least semi-advanced...?

Also note that to open a super user instance of Dolphin from within any running Dolphin you need a total of two mouse clicks plus root's password.

Yes I remember there were difficulties in the early KDE4 releases with Dolphin.

What two mouse clicks are you referring to above? .....  just wondering 

Right-click the folder you want to open as root (or the window background if if you want to retain your current directory).
Click Root menu -> Open as root. (Here you only need one single click as the submenu with "Open as root" opens when you drag the cursor to "Root menu".)
Give root's password and hit Enter.

That Opens Konqueror here and not Dolphin!