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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2012, 03:04:06 PM »

The first case requires active user intervention.  That's not a virus, it's a con-job.  Save it as a .bmp?  OK - then what?  Who tries to run a .bmp?  And even if you did, the OS should recognize it as a .bmp and merely try to display the 'fuzziness,' as best it can.

The second case, it's all data, just that some is hidden in a different kind of data.  How would you execute it?


How it gets executed is the rub!  I've already admitted that it is unlikely, today, to happen.  I've also stated that any compromise is ultimately the fault of the application, not the data(/code).  If the data causes a buffer over-run, for example, causing something to get written to memory not originally intended to house said data, and is then executed, that is a security failing of the application (and, by extension, the OS, and programming language, etc...).

Admittedly, buffer over-runs aren't as common as they once where (and that's good), but I chose it as a simple example (it is generally how SQL injections occur, as well).  I still think that because we may have trouble envisioning how something might happen today, does not preclude it becoming a possibility in the future.  I'm not saying it is foregone, just that it might be possible.

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Most (crime drama, etc) TV shows that use technology (and, specifically, computers) as part of the problem / solution, do so in an un-realistic manner.  Whether that's due to poor knowledge, expectation of lack of knowledge of the audience or just as convenient plot devices (nee deus ex machina), it still grates on me whenever I see (what I perceive as) a glaring error.  I'm sure many at this forum share this sentiment at one time or another.
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2012, 03:08:06 PM »

I treat them all as I did Star trek .......  interesting and inventive ......  they are after all entertainment!  Cheesy

Fictional entertainment ......   Cheesy
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2012, 03:25:45 PM »

I treat them all as I did Star trek .......  interesting and inventive ......  they are after all entertainment!  Cheesy

Fictional entertainment ......   Cheesy

Agreed.  Almost all fiction (and particularly "science fiction") require a "willing suspension of disbelief".  How extreme that is tends to vary from story to story (or, more specifically, genre to genre).  For example, I would give Star Trek or Star Wars much more lee-way that I would CSI or NCIS, etc...

I still like to discuss it, though!
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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2012, 04:21:28 PM »

I treat them all as I did Star trek .......  interesting and inventive ......  they are after all entertainment!  Cheesy

Fictional entertainment ......   Cheesy

Agreed.  Almost all fiction (and particularly "science fiction") require a "willing suspension of disbelief".  How extreme that is tends to vary from story to story (or, more specifically, genre to genre).  For example, I would give Star Trek or Star Wars much more lee-way that I would CSI or NCIS, etc...

I still like to discuss it, though!
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Well, the CSIs are a lot more credible than NCIS, which is usually more credible than Bones. But how much disbelief I'm willing to suspend depends on the general quality of both the writing and the acting.
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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2012, 09:45:31 PM »

Looks to me that someone added
http://www.ehackingnews.com/2011/11/encrypted-malware-inside-jpeg-image.html
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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/11/29/hackers-can-set-your-hp-printer-on-fire-researchers-demonstrate/
and after smoking a green leafy substance came up with that plot. Grin
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2012, 01:17:31 PM »

Admittedly, buffer over-runs aren't as common as they once where (and that's good), but I chose it as a simple example (it is generally how SQL injections occur, as well). 

As well they should be - any buffer overrun is a result of slopp programming - have they not ever heard of 'bounds checking?'  Or better yet, circular buffers?  Where nothing can be written outside the allocated buffer space.

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Most (crime drama, etc) TV shows that use technology (and, specifically, computers) as part of the problem / solution, do so in an un-realistic manner.  Whether that's due to poor knowledge, expectation of lack of knowledge of the audience or just as convenient plot devices (nee deus ex machina), it still grates on me whenever I see (what I perceive as) a glaring error.  I'm sure many at this forum share this sentiment at one time or another.

Yes, I certainly to.  One of my pet peeves is the scrolling (program?) text while a computer is doing some, supposedly, sophisticated task.  I guess they need some feedback to convince the audience something is happening.
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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2012, 01:59:44 PM »


Most (crime drama, etc) TV shows that use technology (and, specifically, computers) as part of the problem / solution, do so in an un-realistic manner.  Whether that's due to poor knowledge, expectation of lack of knowledge of the audience or just as convenient plot devices (nee deus ex machina), it still grates on me whenever I see (what I perceive as) a glaring error.  I'm sure many at this forum share this sentiment at one time or another.
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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2012, 08:27:38 PM »

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20120112 Grin Grin
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